If Amy used the phrase "19 Arab Hijackers" that's really pretty
slack of her.I missed that or I's certainly have sebnt her a note. I was
quick to complain when she said once; "...the worst incident or
terrorism on American soil...". I think that's just irresponsible of her
so in that regard we agree.
Knowing, as I do, her personal suspicions about the event I can tell
you that what she repots is not necessarily the same as what she thinks
in this instance and my assumption is that she wants to avoid getting
trounced by people who are just waiting for an opportunity to discredit
her with assertrions that she has reported a theory as a fact or an
assumption as a truth, etc. That's the risk I was refering to. So far,
although I have my own suspicions that closely match Amy's I have looked
for but have yet to find any substantial evidence that the Bush
administration planned or allowed the attacks specifically. There are
lots of indications, but no conclusive proof one way or the other.
I even have a friend who attended the Emry Riddle flight school
that Atta studied at and she witnessed the comaraderie between these
guys and the Mossad agents in the neighboring off-campus apartment. I
don't accept the government's explanations and I don't accept the Warren
Commission report or the NRC studies that claimed no significant
radiation was leaked from Three Mile Island either - but at least in
that case we have solid irrefutable proof.
Maybe Amy hasn't covered the 9-11 issue enough and maybe she should
be asking more challenging questions more frequently - and maybe we
should write to her and request that she make some corrections. But
every time I listen to Democracy Now or FSRN or the KPFK news I marvel
at the range of topics they DO cover and at the depth of that coverage
also.
Why not organize a seminar on the 9-11 cover-up and invite the
speakers you find most convincing and also invite Pacifica or Amy or
FSRN to cover it - or better yet; produce a CD and distribute it to
peace organizations and community radio stations across the country?
Just a suggestion.
Evan
Joseph Wanzala wrote:
>Evan,
>
>What is this 'great risk' you are referring to? I really don't understand. Why
>is there a 'risk' - from whom, of what? Please specify. Surely it is the role
>of progressives/radicals to ask tough questions, refuse to accept facile
>explanations from the government on critical matters such as this. And when
>you say that you are sure that Amy would not report anything as fact when she
>has no evidence to support the claims, what about the phrase '19 Arab
>hijackers' - there is no proof that there were 19 Arab hijackers on those
>planes other than the governments assertions. Even the head of the FBI has
>conceded that they have no one shred of evidence to back up this assertion.
>The paucity of government evidence other than unsupported assertions thast
>rely on the vilificaion of Arabs warrants some independent research by Ms.
>Goodman and others of her ilk. To simpy parrot the government story, when
>there are so many palpable signs of it fraudulence is really a shame on Ms.
>Goodman's part and
> then when she does entertain 'theories' about how the events transpired, it
>is not those of progressive researchers like Chossudovsky and Peter Dale Scott
>but from sensationalist mainstream writers whose thesis just happens to
>dovetail with the governments story.
>
>The record of the so-called left on the issue of 9-11 is atrocious and
>appalling. No one is a saying you have to embrace 'conspiracy theories', any
>cursory review of the governemnts story will show it is a bunch of lies - why
>hasn't Amy interviewed the family members who are challenging the govrnment
>story? Family members wronged by the government asking quesitons outside of
>the maionstream are a favourite story tak of hers, what happened with 9-11?
>
>Joe W.
>
>evan davis <evan@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>Shiu;
> Surely you are aware that there is a great risk involved in
>promoting theories as to the true nature of the Sept. 11 cover-up. I
>can't speak for Amy Goodman and the veracity or thoroughness of her
>reporting on this issue except to say that I am confident she would not
>report anything as fact that she did not know to be true and has
>evidence to support any claims. Michael Rupert has been given un-fair
>treatment at times by Pacifica but he and Chusodovsky (sp?) and their
>"evidence", while intriguoing and worth investigating falls short of the
>high standards for proof that a high-profile program like Democracy Now
>needs to maintain. Just look at what the Zionists did to Cynthia
>McKinney for merely suggesting that Bush & co. MIGHT have known
>something in advance. We have to be very careful and very thorough.
> KPFK, on the other hand - and in particular the KPFK News Dept. HAS
>devoted some coverage to this topic and while they stopped short of
>making unsupportable claims they did a good job of presenting crucial
>questions we need to be asking. They even had Ruppert on at least once.
> I hope you realuize that by focusing so narrowly on the 9-11
>controversy and withdrawing your support for Pacifica based solely on
>that issue you ARE putting yourself in league with the Rafaelites. They
>maintain a local discussion list which is censorial and closed to anyone
>who has not sworn a certain allegiance to Michael Ruppert or who has in
>any way questioned Rafael and the so-called "unity caucus".
> I agree that the "diversity discussion" has largely been a
>mis-direction of energies - mainly because the REAL work of increeasing
>Pacifica's "diversity" ( in programming) has been done by people who
>have nothing to do with the "unity caucus" yet it has been the "unity
>caucus" which has capitalized on the diversity battle-cry to stymie
>Pacifica's democratization and to waste tens - or, in fact hundreds of
>thousands of dollars that could have been spent on utreach and training
>and developing community-based production studios - all of which have
>been proposed by people who are NOT a part of the "unity caucus".
> Nevertheless, Shiu; don't think anyone is "baiting" you - and of
>course you are always welcome and encouraged to remain involved.\
> Evan Davis
>
>Shiu M. Hung wrote:
>
>
>
>>Loraine,
>>
>>Please leave my name out of the augument centering around
>>Rafael. I have never publicly committed to taking sides on any
>>of the issues that has been under discussion. Furthermore, i feel
>>demoralized by the degree of 'no concerns' about the issues which
>>i have raised on this list. I am not willing to proceed with devoting
>>any more of my time and energy to the Pacifica struggle, especially
>>the upcoming election, because i am not willing to support a network
>>which claims to support issues of the 'working class' but is continuing to
>>fail to do its job in informing the public about the truth behind 9/11. I
>>consider the
>>9/11 USG coverup to be one of the major issue the 'working class' is
>>confronting today and it saddens me to know our 'beloved' Amy Goodman
>>is continuing to support the USG official narratives of 9/11. I consider
>>her
>>recent interview of former CIA agents McGovern and McMichael on DN
>>a 'smoke screen' and it only further distracts people from hearing the real
>>truth
>>about 9/11.
>>
>>As you all know Bush have capitalize on using the "terror threat" to
>>prosecute his
>>'endless' war and subjugate our civil liberties and the left media's
>>acquiescence
>>to not challenging the legitimacy of terror threat leaves me no choice but
>>to doubt
>>Pacifica Radio's sincerity about "saying no to power" and Goodman's "i go
>>where
>>the silence is" in her investigative journalistic work. IMV, the USG have
>>merely
>>replaced the "war on communism" with the phony "war on terror" in their
>>tactic
>>to continue to control and manipulate the people and natural resources on
>>this planet.
>>
>>Sorry, I look at this entire discussion on diversity as a waste of time and
>>will not
>>allow myself to be baited into supporting one side or the other.
>>
>>Shiu
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Loraine Mirza" <haq_for_U@hotmail.com>
>>To: <NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com>; <freekpfk@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:34 AM
>>Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [freekpfk] How Was Miguel's Protest?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Oh are you channeling my long time freind Michael Taylor now? (Someone you
>>>did not know but I was a very close friend of) You are a total demogue. I
>>>won't second guess what Michael Taylor would have done because he is not
>>>with us to make that decision on his own. However, Philip A., Fernando
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>V.,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Altaf B., Eben R, Sonali K., Farah D., Latrice D., Migue M.l, Joseph
>>>Wanzala, Steve Conley, Shiu Hong, Dorothy Jesse, Mark H., John Martinez,
>>>Berthold Breimer, Miguel Molina, and myself, and many others of color
>>>who are alive and well REJECT you, your tactics and everything you stand
>>>for.
>>>
>>>It is interesting the way you dredge out the dead to try a make a point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Of
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>course the dead have trouble responding to your claims, but us living
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>folks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>are going to speak out and those of us who have had direct dealings with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>know you are only in this for yourself and are ready to mow down anyone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>who
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>doesn't go along with your agenda.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Loraine
>>>=== === === === === === ===
>>>The Pacifica bylaws were adopted.
>>>ON WITH ELECTIONS!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Rafael Renteria" <renteria22@yahoo.com>
>>>>Reply-To: NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com
>>>>To: NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: [freekpfk] How Was Miguel's Protest?
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:41:43 -0000
>>>>
>>>>--- In NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com, "Loraine Mirza" <haq_for_U@h...>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What rafael really means once you weed out all the excess verbiage is:
>>>>>
>>>>>Only POC who tow the renteria line need apply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I think you've got it backwards, Loraine - only people of color like
>>>>Miguel, Sonali and Eben Rey, those willing to betray the interests of
>>>>the oppressed by supporting a plan with no affirmative action remedy,
>>>>need ride your bus.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone who dares to stand up for affirmative action should head to the
>>>>back of your bus, as I understand the scenario.
>>>>
>>>>But cowards, those unwilling to authentically investigate and
>>>>understand the law, those unwilling to _risk_ anything for the
>>>>oppressed people they claim falsely to support, why, they are
>>>>perfectly welcome to sit beside you in the front, no?
>>>>
>>>>What would Michael Taylor say to you now...?
>>>>
>>>>RR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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