By the way, Loraine, Dorothy Jessee Beagle is a white woman, not a person of color, and she is a strong advocate of affirmative action remedies and really seems to hate Draft B. We have never had anything but the warmest relations. Thanks, by the way for the list, but you are out of line making reference to Philip and Dorothy - and also with Miguel Molina, who I've only met once but who greeted me very warmly indeed in Chicago. Despite our political differences, Eben Ray and I have always had cordial relations, and until very recently indeed, when Joe W. adopted Spoonerism, he and I were always on very good terms - last time we met was in Berkeley in February, where we worked together to defeat Draft B on the KPFA LAB- which rejected that plan, by the way, in its initial vote, on MLK's birthday. Latrice Dixon and I are united in opposing Draft B, although we differ over Eva Georgia. I have never had anything other than positive interactions with Shiu Hung. It's a shame about John Martinez, but he never forgave me for pointing out whose payroll he was once on long ago. His problem. Same for Fernando, whose former aliance with Dave Adelson says as much about his politics as anything I could say. I've not spoken with Altaf for years, but last he showed up on the lists, it was in my defense. Despite our differences, Berthold and I also have cordial, if slightly strained relations. Ask him about our dialog in NY last week. Sadly for you Loraine, there are only one or two people on your list who share in your proclivity for venom and spite. Rafael --- In NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com, "Rafael Renteria" <renteria22@y...> wrote: > I'm not "channeling" anything or anyone Loraine. Just suggesting you > check with your conscience. > > RR > > --- In NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com, "Loraine Mirza" <haq_for_U@h...> > wrote: > > Oh are you channeling my long time freind Michael Taylor now? > (Someone you > > did not know but I was a very close friend of) You are a total > demogue. I > > won't second guess what Michael Taylor would have done because he is > not > > with us to make that decision on his own. However, Philip A., > Fernando V., > > Altaf B., Eben R, Sonali K., Farah D., Latrice D., Migue M.l, Joseph > > Wanzala, Steve Conley, Shiu Hong, Dorothy Jesse, Mark H., John > Martinez, > > Berthold Breimer, Miguel Molina, and myself, and many others of > color > > who are alive and well REJECT you, your tactics and everything you > stand > > for. > > > > It is interesting the way you dredge out the dead to try a make a > point. Of > > course the dead have trouble responding to your claims, but us > living folks, > > are going to speak out and those of us who have had direct dealings > with you > > know you are only in this for yourself and are ready to mow down > anyone who > > doesn't go along with your agenda. > > > > > > > > Loraine > > === === === === === === === > > The Pacifica bylaws were adopted. > > ON WITH ELECTIONS! > > > > >From: "Rafael Renteria" <renteria22@y...> > > >Reply-To: NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com > > >To: NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: [freekpfk] How Was Miguel's Protest? > > >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:41:43 -0000 > > > > > >--- In NewPacifica@yahoogroups.com, "Loraine Mirza" <haq_for_U@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > What rafael really means once you weed out all the excess > verbiage is: > > > > > > > > Only POC who tow the renteria line need apply. > > > > > > > > >I think you've got it backwards, Loraine - only people of color like > > >Miguel, Sonali and Eben Rey, those willing to betray the interests of > > >the oppressed by supporting a plan with no affirmative action remedy, > > >need ride your bus. > > > > > >Anyone who dares to stand up for affirmative action should head to the > > >back of your bus, as I understand the scenario. > > > > > >But cowards, those unwilling to authentically investigate and > > >understand the law, those unwilling to _risk_ anything for the > > >oppressed people they claim falsely to support, why, they are > > >perfectly welcome to sit beside you in the front, no? > > > > > >What would Michael Taylor say to you now...? > > > > > >RR > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > > http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/xYTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> New Pacifica Working Group http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica 'Save Our Stations!' To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NewPacifica-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/