--- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Pamela Somers" <psomers@...> wrote: > > I agree. The "race war" is a fabrication. The type of > person who is drawn to Pacifica is not the type who would > practice racism. Amen. > You can make a case for "society at large" > being racist, although most people I know, progressive and not, > will vehemently deny that they are. It seems to operate more on an > institutional level than on a personal level, but to accuse > Pacifica of institutional racism is tantamount to treason! It goes > against the mission. Most people who make up the Pacifica community > have extremely high ideals about leading lives that have no place for > racism or sexism. Amen, sister! > They tend to be more intelligent than average and > highly aware and caring about the problems of the world. Not to say > that they can't do better, but to accuse them of something they so > abhor, that's just wrong, and you have to suspect ulterior motives. Amen! Speak it, sister... Speak it now! > In my opinion a major character flaw they suffer from as a group is > what they call "white liberal guilt", their achilles heel: they are > undermined by their own strengths, which is so often the case in > life. To oversimplify the problem at WBAI by calling it racism or > a "black/white" struggle is wrong, as anyone who has been involved > knows, including the JUC. Yet they keep at it. > > Pam Hallelujah! Let's hope the non-believers (i.e., heathens outside the BAI signal area) listen to your testimony. [Especially as the smarmy, anti-white racist Hamanaka has now popped up on this list.] And yes, Tim Wise is a bore. Worse than that, he's a half-educated bore. Hotep! F.O. > > > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Frank LeFever" <fflefever@> > wrote: > > > > The "race war" at WBAI is entirely a creation of JUC. > > > > --Frank > > > > ==================================================== > > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim DeMaegt" <jdemaegt@> wrote: > > > > > > And the race wars at Pacifica continue. Pacifica is soooo > cool. > > Heck the > > > Republican Party has less racial conflict within it than Pacifica > > does. But > > > the Pacifica > > > "activists" apparently enjoy such things and egg things on to > > greater and > > > greater nastiness and worse and worse racial conflict. > > > Back when Pacifica was in some sense "liberal" > and/or "progressive" > > > and/or in some sense democratic, this > > > kind of dispute and the nasty, nasty racial insults (by both > sides) > > did not > > > occur. > > > But apparently Pacifica has moved on to the Race War era. And > the > > > Pacifica "activists" seem to enjoy the racial insults and the > personal > > > attacks and the endless bickering and faction fights - that > > apparently is > > > the new Pacifica. > > > Pacifica has been Saved - for Race Wars and faction fights. > > > > > > Jim "I would have recommended (and do recommend) a quite > different > > > approach." D. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <wanzala@> > > > To: <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Who wrote this? Re: Question for > > Pacifica's white > > > liberal, pro-JUC management: > > > > > > > > > > Tim Wise is a bore. > > > > > > > > Joe w (person of many colors) > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "hudsonhemingway" <hudsonhemingway@> > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:29:42 > > > > To:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [NewPacifica] Who wrote this? Re: Question for > Pacifica's > > white > > > > liberal, pro-JUC management: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see why Tim Wise (see link below) endorsed the Justice > and Unity > > > > slate. He would included in that truly racist post, as a "race > pimp". > > > > > > > > I'm sure you've all seen Steve Brown's emails that caused the > LSB to > > > > dissociate itself from him... emails which distributed imagery > of WBAI > > > > as being like "the South Bronx" with large Black males (Bernard > and > > > > Errol) running around with base ball bats, threatening staff. > > > > If not, just ask and I'll post it here. > > > > > > > > White people wonder by people of color avoid many white left > > > > organizations. How many people of color are on this list? > > > > > > > > Here's a link to Tim Wise's site. You can listen to some of his > talks > > > > about White Supremacy online > > > > > > > > www.timwise.org > > > > > > > > I highly recommend Tim Wise to New Pacifica list members. > > > > > > > > --- In NewPacifica@ <mailto:NewPacifica%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > yahoogroups.com, "Pamela Somers" <psomers@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to confuse you Sheila, but no, I did not write that or > > > > > sign my name to it, I just forwarded it from the Goodlight > > > > > Board and provided a link at the bottom. I'm also sorry that > > > > > the hyperbole of this piece disturbed you so, but I agree > that it is > > > > > disturbing, as it serves to highlight something we > > > > > should all be disturbed about: the real prospect of losing our > > > > > radio station. I also saw it as a needed counterpoint to the > > > > > the JUC election hyperbole that has been posted here. People - > > > > > especially those not in the BAI listening area - need to have > a > > > > > better understanding of what's going on. > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In NewPacifica@ <mailto:NewPacifica%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > yahoogroups.com, "hudsonhemingway" > > > > > <hudsonhemingway@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm confused. Who wrote this piece? > > > > > > Was it Pam Somers, or was she just forwarding it? > > > > > > Pam, if you reposted it from another list, who wrote it? > > > > > > I find it disturbing when people write or repost things that > > include > > > > > > phrases like : "anti-Pacifica race pimps, patronage slugs, > > > > > incompetent > > > > > > black bigots (and their white symbiotes" but do not say who > they > > > > > are. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Sheila > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In NewPacifica@ <mailto:NewPacifica%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > yahoogroups.com, "Pamela Somers" <psomers@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted By: Could things be ANY worse if you had done the > right > > > > > thing... > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, 11 November 2007, at 2:06 a.m. > > > > > > > ...and FIRED BERNARD WHITE several YEARS ago -- when you > feared > > > > > he'd > > > > > > > pull his JUC "race card"? > > > > > > > Now you have Bernard's, Bok-keem's, Lucas', Davis', > Workers > > World, > > > > > > > CEMOTAP, International Action Center, Peoples > Organization for > > > > > Progress, > > > > > > > Met Council for Housing, etc, and all the rest of their > false > > > > > race venom > > > > > > > destroying WBAI's reputation ANYWAY!! > > > > > > > It will take Pacifica YEARS to recover from the sliming > > issued by > > > > > WBAI's > > > > > > > anti-Pacifica race pimps, patronage slugs, incompetent > black > > > > > bigots (and > > > > > > > their white symbiotes), despite your cowardly inaction. > > > > > > > All because you lacked the courage to do the right, > ethical, > > > > > > > professional thing years ago. > > > > > > > And because of your inaction, THEY control the station. > And have > > > > > nearly > > > > > > > bankrupted the entire Pacifica network. > > > > > > > You have sold out the institution. Have you no shame? Why > don't > > > > > you > > > > > > > resign? > > > > > > > Or was destroying Pacifica your job in the first place? > > > > > > > - CoIntelMole Watch > > =============================================== > > >