Title: Re: [NewPacifica] No Folios? [ Subject was: Re:
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Yes, this sounds right: even a four-page folded self-mailer
once a month, with a pitch for small donations to cover such mailings,
and notices of program changes, links to more info, survey of
listeners' favorite programs, and all the things Kevin suggests, would
bring in not only some money but renewed interest in the programming.
Would stations hold a one-day fund=raiser to fund such renewed
folios?
Carolyn
Not literature, but just a quarterly
folio that is
more than just a program guide but filled with
articles, letters written by members of the LSB,
programmers, staff, Management, listeners and reports
related to Pacifica radio.
--- Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree.
>
> I would love to see Pacifica in the business of
> publishing literature.
>
> K
>
>
> Carolyn Birden <cmcb007@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Kevin,
> I may have not made myself clear: money is
not
> the only determining factor in creating an audience,
> and of course you are correct that people on both
> ends of the financial curve both do and do not use
> the Internet. However, one thing I've learned over
> the past few years is that the word "Internet"
means
> different things to different people. Word
> processing, on-line public programs, weather and
> mainstream news on line, movie house timetables,
> googling a word or a vacation spot or a medicine -
> lots of stuff on there, but for many people with
> access, it means AOL, and not much more.
>
>
> I'm talking about the kind of connection that
> people make to a radio station that does not come
> from the Internet: it's different, it's parallel,
> it's not always co-existent. I think that many of
> the people I talk with, and work with, simply do not
> use the Internet to connect to radio, at least not
> in any way that would do listener-supported Pacifica
> stations any good. The loyalty, the consistent
> financial support, the caring that would translate
> into taking part in elections - that comes from the
> air, I think, and if we do create an Internet base,
> it will be different - and many former listeners
> will be left behind. Here age may be a better
> predictor of behavior than income.
>
>
> Nothing wrong with creating a new clientele - but
> it's like the Pacifica website. Just as some people
> were getting good enough to find pacifica.org, and
> navigate its quirks, we created a new website. What
> is the rationale for it? People have to want to get
> to the new site - are they given a reason? I don't
> see one. Are they forwarded there automatically?
> Why not? Inevitably, some people are going to
> decide not to bother, especially since there doesn't
> seem to be a compelling reason offered on the old
> site for trying out the new one. (And this from
> someone who has long voiced complaints about being
> unable to find things on the original site: I'm
> hoping the new site will be much more user-friendly,
> but no one is making me any promises that would
> encourage me to bookmark the second site right now.
> )
>
>
> I agree that income is not always a good
predictor
> of who is Internet savvy and who is not, but leisure
> to pursue esoteric radio broadcasts is another
> matter. Listening to the radio encourages
> multi-tasking away from the computer - again, a
> different audience from that glued to the monitor,
> whose ideas of "multi-tasking" may not include
> cooking, doing household chores, working on
> homework, etc. Although the digital divide is
> narrowing, I don't think that every radio listener
> is going to make the transition to the Internet as a
> source of entertainment, background companion,
> essential information, or even news. Can we afford
> to jettison those listeners? How can we keep them?
> I think print is an essential link to that audience
> - and hence I would argue for the necessity of
> folios.
> Carolyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Carolyn, Respectfully, in
Houston at least our
> libraries are literally crammed with the
> disenfranchised yearning to be free into public
> computer consoles with unfiltered connection to the
> Internet. Even the smelliest homeless family has
> access to word processing, on-line public programs,
> and even the vilest spam. I've even met a
few
> people who make six figures who never go on the
> Internet. I hope this isn't rude, because
it is
> not my intention. Kevin
White
>
> Carolyn Birden <cmcb007@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Now that the National Office/Foundation is
getting
> into programming, and also sending out fundraising
> letters to all members in all stations, perhaps
> those mailings (fundraising) could include not only
> previews of national programming plans, but reviews
> of recent programs (hearings, etc.), letters from
> the new ED, and contact information for all
> stations, for letters and communications from the
> members to their local stations, either to the LSBs
> or to the GMs as the listeners wish.
> If Pacifica is to keep to its mission, it really
> cannot forget that a great many listeners are NOT on
> the INternet, do NOT use the Internet daily to keep
> up with information about their radio stations, and
> still read and write on paper. Many of these
> listeners are also those with some discretionary
> income, hint hint. At WBAI the curtailment of the
> Folio disadvantages exactly those listeners who were
> its most loyal supporters in the past: no surprise
> that our donations are way down. No surprise that
> some people are not anxious to reinstate monthly
> folios to the listeners.
> Carolyn
>
> A more extensive on-line Folio would be good.
> Not everyone has a computer.
>
> In the written folio in the past there was as
a
> space for letters to the editor and to programmers.
>
> Having other media venues around the
hegemony
> (different at all five stations ),
> for listener members to communicate with
> programers, staff and station board and commitee
> members
> about what is relavent to having the radio
station
> is important.
>
> We realize the limitations of communication
by
> internet on these listservs.
>
> Written and published correspondence might
be
> more civil and to the issues.
>
> --- Jim Curtis
>
>
> Re: Terry Goodman:
> - - - -
- - - - -
> [Subject was: Re: Re: you have been dealt with.]
>
> On Sat May 13, 2006, Loraine Mirza wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >As for no Folios? Seems like our station managers
> >haven't gotten on the ball, as they would be the
> ones
> >who would be in charge of fulfilling this very
> >important promise that all of us have been waiting
> for
> >since the settlement.
>
> Station production of printed Folios was a fequent
> demand of some
> listener-activists, but it was not a condition of
> the settlement
> agreement. In the early days of Pacifica, a printed
> program guide was
> an essential membership benefit (and more important
> than any "premium"
> or gift), as it was the only way that subscribers
> could plan their
> listening. With the adoption of strip programming,
> the abandonment of
> the thematic programming model, the rollback of
> original documentary
> production, and the posting of a reasonably accurate
> monthly
> programming chart on the internet, a printed program
> guide is no
> longer necessary.
>
> If programming is radically changed so as to allow a
> printed guide to
> provide subscribers with significant additional
> information of value
> not easily accessible over the internet, and if
> advertising revenue
> can be raised to substantially underwrite the cost
> of printing and
> mailing, then printed Folios could possibly return.
> Unless and until
> then, a program grid included as an occasional
> single page promotional
> insert into a local activist publication like Change
> Links is probably
> all that we can reasonably hope and lobby for.
> --Terry Goodman, KPFK Delegate
>
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