Richard, I haven't seen anyone call to ban Eileen from the list. Can you show me a post that did? Otherwise, if individual members wish to filter her posts, that is their right, too. best, Deb Richard wrote: > Agreeable to ones own preferences or not Eileen has every right to > post on the list. /R > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of *Eileen Goodman > *Sent:* Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:48 PM > *To:* NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; freekpfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: [NewPacifica] you have been dealt with. > > Evan, > Pacifica is unaccountable and non-transparent to its voting > constituency. That's a point. Whatever you might think of me is > irrelevant but you folks do that - take away from the message and go > after a personal attack. > > So many people have thanked me for my posting, off list, that I no > longer feel threatened or intimidated by you folks.... > > You're a good reporter - frankly this type of post cheapens you > > Eileen J. Goodman > > */evan <evan@xxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote: > > > Somehow my filters were switched off and some messages from Eileen > got > through. Before I correct that condition let me simply point out the > following > > a) Eileen who has always refused to engage in actual debate over the > substance of her often unsupportable/unsupported lampoons and false > assertions has peppered this list with such frequency that it has > driven > off most of the productive dialogue . She's not the only one, of > course > but she's one of the most frequent attackers. > > b) Eileen posits that for productive discussion to occur there > must be > dissenting views represented. I disagree. If there is general > agreement > on any particular point then the discussion generally turns toward > fine-tuning and pro-active development - two things Eileen has never > demonstrated much interest in. > > c) What used to pass for "debate" on this list was too often just > sniping and slinging. It was a test of tenaciousness rather than a > test > of ideas. Many one all sides of any given question simply lost > interest, > I suspect or got too busy doing actual work to waste time arguing in > circles with people who seem to only think in circles. There came a > point where it felt more productive to ignore the whole damned > list than > to try to engage the people who were left. Fortunately there are > filters > that anyone can add to their e-mail client that relegate all posts > from > certain posters to the ether. With a battery of those in place I > found > it possible to give this list the appearance of potential relevancy > again, though it remains something of a disappointment even still. > Evan > > > > > Eileen Goodman wrote: > > > Dear Terry Goodman, > > This new pacifica list has effectively wiped out any point of view > > that doesn't go along with the power-group I've spoken about. > Gone - > > any voice that differs. What remains are those willing to join > in with > > Loraine and bash or trash - and that's too bad... Still > > You folks have wiped out independent voices with different > views. It > > will be interesting what occurs during the election period > coming up. > > Paco, I see you're back to your old style of writing. I heard > that you > > were a police officer, is that true? > > Eileen J. Goodman > > > > */frank schweitzer /* wrote: > > > > eileen lecturing on reality ! > > now THAT'S a hoot > > > > > > i will refrain from shooting fish in a barrel > > i will refrain from shooting fish in a barrel > > i will refrain from shooting fish in a barrel > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Eileen Goodman > > >Sent: May 13, 2006 10:23 AM > > >To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, freekpfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] you have been dealt with. > > > > > >why am I not surprised that Loraine makes such comments. > > > > > > My suggestion to you Loraine - go back to your handlers and get > > a new assignment. I shall not respond to you anymore.... you are > > free to spin and make up what you think reality is - others know > > better > > > > > > Eileen J. Goodman > > > > > >"L. Mirza" wrote: > > > Interesting, as the loud screaming voices have always > > >come from the group eileen supports most also known as > > >the Justice Coalition. (Don't know who they "coalate" > > >with but that's what they call themselves.) You only > > >have to go back to the videos of the meetings and see > > >for yourself who is doing the screaming. Guess the > > >backyard ballerina is spooked by simple disagreement > > >with her. > > > > > >--- Eileen Goodman > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Kevin, > > >> It's not easy being a lone voice - voicing > > >> concerns of the power-group you support. If they are > > >> anything like - how intense folks ve been here, at > > >> KPFK - to make sure lone voices are spooked - > > >> needing to look over their shoulder - doubting every > > >> move - because unusual things keep happening - Edwin > > >> didn't have a chance - perhaps he, like myself, > > >> screamed - shouted - made sure he was heard, for the > > >> record...., since everyone is too busy and conflicts > > >> go unresolved while your power-group goes behind > > >> closed doors - as they so show us now - how they > > >> have played Pacifica to be unaccountable to it's > > >> voting constituency..... > > >> > > >> Edwin, get balanced and get back into it - once > > >> enough good people find out just how effectively > > >> dysfunctional these bylaws are and make changes, > > >> demand changes, to reduce this monster to a more > > >> community-friendly productive guideline for > > >> activity, your voice just might find it easier to > > >> share the song you want to sing.... > > >> > > >> Eileen J. Goodman > > >> > > >> Kevin White wrote: > > >> I'm afraid Edwin burned out on his own. I used > > >> to do pirate radio during the bad bad days of > > >> Pacifica. Edwin lost an election by one vote to be > > >> on the board of directors. He went insane on us for > > >> three years calling us Nazis on about 700 boards > > >> like this. > > >> > > >> Edwin is one of the most self-destructive people > > >> I've ever met. Whenever I run across him at the > > >> grocery store we both go to he spends most of his > > >> time running from any isle that he finds me on. > > >> > > >> Edwin is a coward. > > >> > > >> K > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Eileen Goodman wrote: > > >> It looks like these lists have been dealt with. > > >> No real news of Pacifica happenings or what > > >> elected-governance-folks actually accomplish or talk > > >> about during the endless stream of meetings, I > > >> wonder if those actively posting really know what's > > >> going on. > > >> > > >> As the lists have been dealt with by only posting > > >> meeting announcements, when most folks, for whatever > > >> their reason, do not attend. Yep - looks like > > >> Pacifica folks do not want an open, transparent or > > >> accountable Pacifica. We, in free pacifica got > > >> played! > > >> > > >> So Edwin is still around but dealt with, how so? > > >> Anyone know? > > >> > > >> Still waiting to hear about station Folios. Still > > >> waiting for reports to the listeners as to all the > > >> elected-governance-folks do. Hey- you elected ones, > > >> is this how you want to be remembered for - closing > > >> the door to the community on Pacifica happenings. > > >> > > >> Eileen J. Goodman > > >> > > >> Melinda Smith wrote: > > >> I do not know what the phrase "you have been dealt > > >> with" in relation > > >> to Edwin means. 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