Terry/All,
I have pasted the string back together to insure continuity, since it's been
over three weeks ago that I put responding to this on hold.
I had to find my reference source for I wanted all not to be distracted with he
say, you say, back and forth.
This is in response to Terry's miss-leading answer when he qualifies the time
period that he asserts Jews had little to do with the Slave Trade selling
whites to other Europeans and Muslims. Terry wrote: In the modern age,
Europeans and non-Europeans traffic in Europeans and non-Europeans and sell
them to Muslims and non-Muslims. Few engaged in the modern European or
American slave traffic are Blacks or Jews, so most of the Europeans and
Americans being sold specifically to Muslims are being sold by individuals with
a nominally Christian or Muslim heritage.
I will be quoting verbatim from Page 194 and 196 from
Chosen People from the Caucasus: Jewish Origins, Delusions, Deceptions and
Historical Role in the Slave Trade, Genocide and Cultural Colonization (ISBN:
0883781476)
Michael Anderson Bradley
"... Aside from the fact that these Jewish Khazars of the 8th -11th century
Russian steppes must have been the ancestors of modern Ashkenazim Jewry, they
became important for another reason: they introduced the word and racial
concept of slavery into the European world. It was perhaps, the Khazar
adoption of Judaism that gave them not only some necessary religious prestige
in competition with their Christian and Islamic neighbors and adversaries, but
also, perhaps, gave them some reason for discriminating between themselves as
the "Chosen" and others, in surrounding forest and steppes, as "Gentiles" to be
exploited.
After conversion to Judaism, the Khazars exhibited a cohesive aggression that
made them, not just the most prominent steppe people of the area, but the
dominant people of the region. At this time, the word slavery came into the
Western World. Slave and its derivations come from the word Slav: and there can
be little doubt that the Jewish Khazars suppilied captive Slavs in such
quantities to both the Islamic and "Roman" worlds that this ethnographic
designation became equated, forever after, with the concept of a "subhuman
servant without rights or dignity."
Page 196...
There is, or was, a real and abiding fear of the "Jewish bogey-man that would
steal Slave children" among the non-Jewish peoples of Eastern Europe. Is this
fear simply "irrational" and a sick expression of pathological "anti-Semitism,"
or does it derive from real, and remembered, historical experience?
Nuff said.
On a related matter of some weeks ago, I was accused of being against white
people and Jews by Robert Knight, followed by Nalini Lasiewicz
After an off list conversation, Nalini has made available the following
retraction: "However, I certainly can and do apologize for how my comments have
caused you any degree of pain. In all seriousness, I know and respect, and
honor, that you have a lifelong history of being friends and colleagues with
people of all colors and creeds and that you are opposed to racism. I
wouldn't dream of taking that away from you or suggesting otherwise.".
Again, Thank you Nalini for being open to correct a mistake.
...made in america,
I'm Emmett Abati Doe
PS: Mr. Robert Knight,your next!
...made in america,
I'm Emmett Abati Doe
"Terry Goodman" <tgoodman@xxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:03:08 -0800
Subject: [RealPacifica] Re: Re: Re: The KPFT Folio's Third Edit [input]
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wrote:
<snip>
>also, I did not know that Muslims were involved in slave trade? interesting.
>
>And, so did some Jews traffic in Europeans selling them to Muslims.
Centuries ago, in Africa, Arabs would purchase Blacks most frequently
initially enslaved by other Blacks and sell them to Europeans or
Americans who were mostly Christians for transport mostly to the
Americas. The Arabs engaged in the slave trade were probably mostly
Muslims.
In the modern age, Europeans and non-Europeans traffic in Europeans
and non-Europeans and sell them to Muslims and non-Muslims. Few
engaged in the modern European or American slave traffic are Blacks or
Jews, so most of the Europeans and Americans being sold specifically
to Muslims are being sold by individuals with a nominally Christian or
Muslim heritage.
--Terry Goodman
Emmett Abati Doe <abatidoe2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: MaryAnn Wrote:
I think he means like "born (conceived) in the USA".
What I mean MaryAnn is:
I like La Raza (The Race) advocate for My People, the people made in america"
those descendant's (Spoils of War) of those prisoner's of Wars enslaved in the
belly of the beast of North america!
also, I did not know that Muslims were involved in slave trade? interesting.
And, so did some Jews traffic in Europeans selling them to Muslims.
...made in america
xtx1000@xxxxxxx wrote: hi Kevin,
I think he means like "born (conceived) in the USA".
also, I did not know that Muslims were involved in slave trade? interesting.
MaryAnn...(of hispanic heritage but born in the USA like Abati)
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin White
To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; xtx1000@xxxxxxx ; Perrine Kelly ;
fulcrumsofchange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: newpacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; friends_of_kpft@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
realpacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] The KPFT Folio's Third
Edition?
Hi Abati,
My Irish ancestors were the N word of Europe long before the Muslims started
the African slave trade.
Can I be included as well?
Kevin "Never a Made Man in Europe or America" White
----- Original Message ----
From: Emmett Abati Doe >
To: xtx1000@xxxxxxx; Perrine Kelly
>; fulcrumsofchange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: newpacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; friends_of_kpft@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
realpacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 11:01:57 AM
Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] The KPFT Folio's Third Edition?
Hi MaryAnn,
Pacifica has become a free-for-all, that any would be power block
has/could/can take over.
Consider WPFW in the control of Caribbeans solely disinterested in the
Survival/ Welfare Reality Issues of "the people made in america", who
management and staff pretend not only to be, but to represent.
FLASH: Pacifica's Broadcaster License was issued for and to serve as a
microphone for "Minority" issues and voices with specific thresholds. Pacifica
was never intended to serve white-artist, white-activist, white-writers and the
anti-war military industrial, police complex!
Pacifica has changed hands any number of times but mostly buy the same white
and Zionist middle-class masquerading as progressives. ..except at WBAI. As
for WPFW it's a case-study and an anomaly unto itself!
It is time for some real change at Pacifica, starting with A GOOD
HOUSE-CLEANING!
But, Just Where Do We Start and How?
...made in america
xtx1000@msn. com wrote:
There should be a balance of management and listener imput into the
production of the folio. remember the original intent of the creation of
Pacifica was to provide "all viewpoints". Giving one person full range to do
and say what they want is not in line with that mission.
peace, MaryAnn
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:40:54 -0700> From: pkelly@perrinekelly .com> To:
fulcrumsofchange@ pacificana. org> Subject: Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] The KPFT
Folio's Third Edition?> > You all are really smoothing over your edges, aren't
you!> > > > From: Kevin White > > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:44:30 -0800 (PST)> >
To: NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. com, fulcrumsofchange@ pacificana. org> >
Subject: [Fulcrumsofchange] The KPFT Folio's Third Edition?> > > > Of course,
now that Ernesto is safely the folio's new editor, have you noticed> > that
suddenly there are no current issues? If management can't control the> >
content of the publication it seems like they'd rather see it dead.> > > >
Maybe getting rid of Massoud wasn't that greatest idea that the folio> >
committee's sudden wave of new members anticipated.> > > > K> > > > > > -----
Original Message ----> > From: Melinda Iley-Dohn > > To: NewPacifica@
yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 6,
2008 6:44:37 PM> > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [PacificaRadiowaves ]
Finkelstein at UCLA Feb.> > 11 at 6 p.m. - Will Pacifica inteview him?> > > >
Kevin,> > > > I was there for the whole meeting. I will go no further because
it was an ugly> > one. > > I can assure you that I do not recall this
happening. Give it a rest. It was> > about> > the parties present disagreeeing.
It was not a shining hour. I saw friends of> > mine> > yelling at each other
and didn't like it.> > > > Melinda> > > > Kevin White wrote:> > What about
giving everything in our little deomocracy into Ernesto's hands?> > When will
the community be impowered? Wasn't Massoud the main organizer (and> >
financier) of the folio and it wouldn't have seen the light if left in> >
management hands. We've been waiting since 2001 for its return and management>
> has done nothing. Massoud gets it going and suddenly there's a power
struggle> > to make sure the content doesn't involve "the dis
appeared" at the station.> > > > Massoud told me that Susan Young was
happily reading it and then saw my name> > on one of the stories and went red
in the face. Were you there to see that?> > The meeting was later.> > > >
Ernesto on the other hand is a toady who's sold his once impressive value> >
system in for a 40 k job.> > > > The folio is no longer in any danger of having
the wrong people writing for> > it.> > > > K> > > > > > ----- Original Message
----> > From: Melinda Iley-Dohn > > To: NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent:
Wednesday, February 6, 2008 12:48:27 PM> > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re:
[PacificaRadiowaves ] Finkelstein at UCLA Feb.> > 11 at 6 p.m. - Will Pacifica
inteview him?> > > > > > Kevin,> > I was not privy to the conversation with
that you had with Massoud, perhaps> > you could have misunderstood what he said
at the time. I will not comment on> > what I did not directly hear, but I can
assure you that the matter involved> > conc
erned differences between parties who were in the room. All concerned> >
yelled quite loudly, so I feel certain that had your name been a part been> >
mentioned that it would have been easily discerned. It was quite a heated> >
exchange. > > > > > > Kevin White wrote:> > Melinda wrote: "I would also remind
you that your article had absuolutely> > nothing to do with changes> > made
with the Folio. There was a lot involved but if your article was> > mentioned
at all it> > was not a part of the decision to change how it was produced. That
is a myth.> > I should> > know, I was there."> > > > Tell that to poor Massoud.
Also, in our little democracy just how much> > authority do you think is fair
to give Ernesto? The LSB puts all power into> > the hands of merely two
people.> > > > Also I've been around Pacifica just as long as Drain Badly. In
fact I don't> > ever recall seeing him spending months of Friday night writing
the by laws. No> > one questions h
is poking people in the eye.> > > > K> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message
----> > From: Melinda Iley-Dohn > > To: NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. com;
PacificaRadiowaves@ yahoogroups. com;> > fulcrumsofchange@ lists.pacificana
.org; newpacifica@ yahoogroups. com;> > RealPacifica@ yahoogroups. com;
freekpfk@yahoogroup s.com; pacifica_now@> > yahoogroups. com> > Sent:
Wednesday, February 6, 2008 10:47:02 AM> > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re:
[PacificaRadiowaves ] Finkelstein at UCLA Feb.> > 11 at 6 p.m. - Will Pacifica
inteview him?> > > > > > Kevin,> > > > His writing demands to a listserve is
the most unlikely way for an item to> > appear on the air. These listserves
have absolutely no influence on what> > appears in broadcasts. They are
obsensibly created to give listeners and> > participants a sounding board but
they have never been used to establish on> > the air programming.> > > > If a
person wants to participate in anything they can.It is generally a g
ood> > idea if you want to be taken seriously (in any setting) to not run
around> > poking everybody in the eye with a stick. I don't care who you are
dealing> > with. > > > > I would also remind you that your article had
absuolutely nothing to do with> > changes> > made with the Folio. There was a
lot involved but if your article was> > mentioned at all it> > was not a part
of the decision to change how it was produced. That is a myth.> > I should> >
know, I was there.> > > > Melinda> > > > Kevin White wrote:> > Melinda,> > > >
You are spreading the myth that all you need is board training and you'll be> >
allowed community access to our stations. This is just flatly untrue. You have>
> to flatter management and never utter a critical sentence to ever get even> >
close to a microphone. I personally wrote a story for the KPFT folio and the> >
editor was immediately replace by Toady Ernesto Aguilar.> > > > You need to
stop spreading the old wife's ta
le that Pacifica is a community> > network.> > > > That's almost as old as
the old weeze that KPFT wants "volunteers. " Nothing> > can be further from the
truth.> > > > Kevin White> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message
----> > From: Melinda Iley-Dohn > > To: PacificaRadiowaves@ yahoogroups. com;
fulcrumsofchange@ lists.pacificana> > .org; newpacifica@ yahoogroups. com;
RealPacifica@ yahoogroups. com;> > freekpfk@yahoogroup s.com; pacifica_now@
yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:09:22 AM> > Subject:
[NewPacifica] Re: [PacificaRadiowaves ] Finkelstein at UCLA Feb. 11> > at 6
p.m. - Will Pacifica inteview him?> > > > > > PSSST.....Jim, what is this
dictation to your "staff" ? This is COMMUNITY> > radio. Have you contacted your
local Program or News Director to see if they> > are going to do it already?
Better yet....have you ever TRAINED in how to> > interview? If you did the
interview you could increase the odds that it wo
uld> > appear on the air if you asked politely.> > > > Jim DeMaegt wrote:>
> I suggest that KPFK cover this event and that we ask Prof. Finkelstein to do>
> an interview on KPFK and also that the interview be carried by the rest of
the> > Pacifica stations.> > Would such an interview be possible? SI SE PUEDE!>
> > > Jim "The struggle in Palestine is crucial to the future of the planet."
D.> > > > > > In solidarity with Palestinian people, and to reflect on the> >
situation in Gaza Strip> > and Palestinian/ Israeli situation, Prof. Norman
Finkelstein will> > give a talk at UCLA,> > Ackerman Hall, Second Floor, at 6
pm on Feb. 11, 2008.> > > > For more information contact Students for Justice
in Palestine> > sjp@xxxxxxxx > > or SJP Prez Rachel Wahbe, rwahbe@ucla. edu> >
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