Title: Re: [NewPacifica] I smell a rat (Re: Is having
almost all
When I first began the wbaielections list, it was sabotaged by
Fred Nguyen and Jim DeMaeght, who "flooded" the list, just
as they are doing to New Pacifica now, with so many emails for so many
months that people were driven away and the list became useless.
I refused to be shut down, and the list still exists, but it is
efforts like thse, aided by unwitting members who bother to respond to
the idiocy of these folks, that destroy lists meant for open dialogue
and honest consideration of issues, differences, and problems.
Edwin is doing the same thing to the goodlight board, diverting
attention from real issues and mocking those sincere enough to post
about them.
Somewhere there's a school that teaches people how to undermine
honest dialogues and open discussions. I too would like to know
who is paying their tuition to do this and then to practice on
Pacifica lists one by one by one. It does indeed seem like a
concerted effort across the network.
The basic remedy is one that some of us have difficulty
applying: don't respond to this kind of trolling. Silence
is the one thing that cures this disease. Don't respond to
gossip, personal attacks, insults, provocative posts designed to
undermine the credibility of the poster while ignoring the substance
of any information in the message.
Start a new thread, with a new Subject: line.
But don't respond to the baiting that is laid down to distract us
from the real issues. The issues are NOT how many people of what
color are on the list, or who said what to whom. The real issues
are those that are obscured by these diversions. Ignore anything
by the above-mentioned people, and see how much the conversation will
improve! Post "Troll Alert" whenever you detect this
kind of attack - for that is what it is - on our attempts at
thoughtful discussions.
There will be attacks on me for this post: I will be called
all sorts of names, and my credibility attacked in many ways.
Notice how few of the attacks go to the question of diversionary
posting by habitual nay-sayers. Don't answer. Don't
respond. Much of the problem is exacerbated by those
well-meaning folks who respond to every attack on undeserving
colleagues with long discussions, explanations, defenses, and
counter-arguments. Their courtesy and intelligent defenses
result in only one thing: keeping us from considering the issues
that really concern Pacifica. Instead of responding to these
trolls as if they were sincere, keep on with consideration of the real
problems facing Pacifica. We really cannot afford the luxury of
these continuing diversionary garbage posts, as I think of them.
If you cannot discipline yourself not to open posts from these
people, then create a filter and send them to the trash. Open
the Trash mailbox once a week and see if you missed anything
worthwhile. If your friends are attacked, they will understand if you
just post "Troll Alert!" and ignore the bait.
And use the hour you saved for taking a walk, exchanging a real
conversation with a sincere friend, and congratulating yourself on
dodging another attack by Those People.
Carolyn
I agree. I just wonder why
anyone is even replying to this nitwit
who is openly calling for Race War? What is such a person even
doing
on a Pacifica list? I thought Pacifica was supposed to stand for
greater understanding of what divides us for the purpose of
healing
those divisions?
Alex Steinberg
--- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Frank LeFever"
<fflefever@...>
wrote:
>
> This is beginning to smell like COINTELPRO.
>
> Somebody shouting revolutionary rhetoric louder than anybody
else,
> more often than anybody else, denouncing everybody else for
being
> overtly or covertly against the movement...
>
> ...so pervasively as to make dialogue that might actually
advance
> the movement impossible.
>
> --Frank
>
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