I agree. I just wonder why anyone is even replying to this nitwit who is openly calling for Race War? What is such a person even doing on a Pacifica list? I thought Pacifica was supposed to stand for greater understanding of what divides us for the purpose of healing those divisions? Alex Steinberg --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Frank LeFever" <fflefever@...> wrote: > > This is beginning to smell like COINTELPRO. > > Somebody shouting revolutionary rhetoric louder than anybody else, > more often than anybody else, denouncing everybody else for being > overtly or covertly against the movement... > > ...so pervasively as to make dialogue that might actually advance > the movement impossible. > > --Frank > > ========================================================= > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim DeMaegt" <jdemaegt@> > wrote: > > > > I am "obsessed" with ending the nasty evil disgusting race, > color and > > class segregation wherever I find it. > > Why are you obsessed with protecting and preserving the race, > color and > > class segregation on the Pacifica related listservs? > > > > Jim D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "L. Mirza" <haq4u@> > > To: <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Is having almost all White middle class > people in > > power limportant for many at Pacifica? > > > > > > > Why are you, Jim just obsessed with the listserves, > > > when they don't mean diddily or reflect either the > > > stations or the listener/staff LSB members? > > > > > > --- Jim DeMaegt <jdemaegt@> wrote: > > > > > >> "Turf" may be protected but "turf" absolutely > > >> must stop being divided up > > >> by race, color and/or class. > > >> Segregation at Pacifica and on Pacifica related > > >> listservs by race, color > > >> and/or class must end. > > >> And people must stop denying that such > > >> segregation by race, color and > > >> class exists and it exists Big Time at Pacifica and > > >> on Pacifica related > > >> listservs. > > >> Stop the denial and start the remedies. > > >> Or the RACE WARS AT PACIFICA are going to be > > >> heating up beyond what > > >> any even imagine at this time. > > >> > > >> Jim D. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "L. Mirza" <haq4u@> > > >> To: <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:14 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Is having almost all > > >> White listservs important > > >> for many at Pacifica? > > >> > > >> > > >> > Well, the turf protection is true, especially in > > >> NY > > >> > and Berkeley, but there are turf protectors of all > > >> > colors. > > >> > > > >> > --- Jim DeMaegt <jdemaegt@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Fight on to keep New Pacifica almost all > > >> White > > >> >> and a little power > > >> >> playground for you and others who think that they > > >> >> own Pacifica. The nasty > > >> >> tactics and nasty comments against those who > > >> >> question them are about all the > > >> >> Pacifica in-crowd has to defend their turf. > > >> >> Lisa Davis was right. > > >> >> > > >> >> Jim D. > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> From: "Richard" <rsierra7@> > > >> >> To: <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:52 PM > > >> >> Subject: RE: [NewPacifica] Is having almost all > > >> >> White listservs important > > >> >> for many at Pacifica? > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > My special response to you is known as an eye > > >> for > > >> >> an eye....relative to > > >> >> > spare the rod and spoil the child. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Your chronic "extreme sports" shtick IS boring > > >> >> though nowadays it is the > > >> >> > typical behavior of many adolescent youths. > > >> /R > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> >> > From: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > > >> >> > Behalf Of Jim DeMaegt > > >> >> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:38 PM > > >> >> > To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> > Subject: [NewPacifica] Is having almost all > > >> White > > >> >> listservs important > > >> >> > for many at Pacifica? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Amazing! When someone suggests that New > > >> >> Pacifica might make some > > >> >> > attempts to change from an almost all White > > >> >> Pacifica related listserv to a > > >> >> > racially integrated listserv some (White) > > >> people > > >> >> apparently get very > > >> >> > angry > > >> >> > and start saying "Fuck Off". > > >> >> > Is it that important to keep New Pacifica > > >> >> almost all White? Wouldn't > > >> >> > it > > >> >> > be better for all concerned to try to end the > > >> >> racial segregation? > > >> >> > Why does a suggestion to attempt to end the > > >> >> racial segregation have a > > >> >> > response like "Fuck Off"? Please try to be a > > >> >> little bit more civil. > > >> >> > Apparently Lisa Davis was right. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Jim D. > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> > From: "Richard" <rsierra7@> > > >> >> > To: "NP" <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:46 AM > > >> >> > Subject: RE: [NewPacifica] Is having almost all > > >> >> White listservs fine for > > >> >> > many at Pacifica? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> What has it been, Jim, 3 or 4 years of list > > >> >> harassment all of which has > > >> >> >> gotten you nowhere. I said years back you were > > >> a > > >> >> fisherman who'd catch no > > >> >> >> fish. Setting people up, accusatory lame > > >> >> spinning, misrepresenting > > >> >> >> realities, inane bullying, attacking persons > > >> and > > >> >> the list, etc. isn't > > >> >> >> conductive to serious discourse. Do me a favor > > >> >> and fuck off. /R > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> From: Richard [mailto:rsierra7@] > > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:22 AM > > >> >> >> To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> >> Subject: RE: [NewPacifica] Is having almost > > >> all > > >> >> White listservs fine for > > >> >> >> many at Pacifica? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Spin is spun. Goodbye. /R :) > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >> From: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > > >> >> >> Behalf Of Jim DeMaegt > > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:14 AM > > >> >> >> To: newpacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> freekpfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> >> kpfklsb_comments@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> rocklandfriendsofwbai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> >> RealPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> >> Subject: [NewPacifica] Is having almost all > > >> White > > >> >> listservs fine for > > >> >> >> many at Pacifica? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> But New Pacifica is almost all White is it > > >> >> not. And apparently "trying > > >> >> >> to provoke the list" just might be necessary > > >> to > > >> >> change New Pacifica from > > >> >> >> being an almost all White enclave related to > > >> >> Pacifica matters. Are you > > >> >> >> content to let New Pacifica remain almost all > > >> >> White Richard? Why is that? > > >> >> >> Is the function of New Pacifica to be a > > >> >> lobbying entity for almost > > >> >> >> all > > >> >> >> White people? Not many Blacks needed on New > > >> >> Pacifica? Is racial > > >> >> >> segregation > > >> >> >> is alright for New Pacifica? Why do you accept > > >> >> those conditions at New > > >> >> >> Pacifica Richard? Are you a racist Richard? > > >> >> >> Does New Pacifica need an Affirmative > > >> Action > > >> >> program? > > >> >> >> Apparently it does. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Jim D. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> >> From: "Richard" <rsierra7@> > > >> >> >> To: <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:13 AM > > >> >> >> Subject: RE: [NewPacifica] Is New Pacifica > > >> almost > > >> >> all White? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>> Not strangely someone keeps trying to provoke > > >> >> the list by sending bs. > > >> >> >>> /R > > >> >> >>> zzzzzz > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> >>> From: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > > >> >> >>> Behalf Of Jim DeMaegt > > >> >> >>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:00 AM > > >> >> >>> To: Newpacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> RealPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> >>> kpfklsb_comments@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> freekpfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> >>> LewHillproject@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > > >> >> rocklandfriendsofwbai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> >>> Subject: [NewPacifica] Is New Pacifica almost > > >> >> all White? > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> Strangely no one is providing information > > >> >> about how many Blacks are > > >> >> >>> on > > >> >> >>> the New Pacifica listserv. > > >> >> >>> Could it be that there are very very few > > >> >> Blacks on the New Pacifica > > >> >> >>> listserv and that the New Pacifica listserv > > >> is > > >> >> largely segregated by > > >> >> >>> race? > > >> >> >>> Do people think that it is perfectly O.K > > >> for > > >> >> the New Pacifica > > >> >> >>> listserv > > >> >> >>> to be largely segregated by race? > > >> >> >>> Why in the heck would the New Pacifica > > >> >> listserv be almost all White > > >> >> >>> or > > >> >> >>> even very largely White? > > >> >> >>> What would cause the New Pacifica listserv > > >> to > > >> >> be almost all White? > > >> >> >>> And > > >> >> >>> what effect would that have on Pacifica if > > >> the > > >> >> New Pacifica listserv and > > >> >> >>> virtually all of the Pacifica related > > >> listservs > > >> >> are very largely White > > >> >> >>> and > > >> >> >>> have very very little Black membership and/or > > >> >> Black participation? > > >> >> >>> What is going on here? Is racism involved > > >> >> here? Why would there be > > >> >> >>> racial segregation on the New Pacifica > > >> listserv? > > >> >> Is it O.K for there to > > >> >> >>> be > > >> >> >>> racial segregation on the New Pacifica > > >> listserv? > > >> >> >>> Does the New Pacifica listserv need an > > >> >> Affirmative Action program? > > >> >> >>> Inquiring minds want to know. > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> Jim D. > ================================================================ > New Pacifica Working Group http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica 'Save Our Stations!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewPacifica/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NewPacifica-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/