Kevin,
It is not OK to terrorize people - period!
It is not OK to ruin anyone's reputation by constantly assaulting their character over and over and over - period!
Loraine not only makes things up, she has lied to this board pretending to be things she is not - no - I do not hold any community responsible (that she tries to constantly speaks for) with her careless and reckless behavior - Not until she started posting have I ever heard of her being a part of the Black community and as far as I'm concerned she gave up all rights in that direction when she dumped on Mr. Earl Grant, or have you forgotten - I sure haven't...... Pacifica lost another treasure when he walked away - make no mistake, the wonderful people who start to get involved and walk away due to this constant in-fighting has got to be an issue folks discuss....
Pacifica belongs to
the peacemakers - not the warmongers constantly going after anyone who disagrees with the Carol Spooner Progressive Faction..... Where oh where is Terry Goodman who speaks in defense of Patty, huh! Oh that's right his record is to remain silent when the Carol Spooner Progressive Faction speaks in any fashion except to come to their defense........
As I'd be the first to hold an Olive branch - IT NEEDS TO GO BOTH WAYS..... I'm a human being with feelings - period!
Folks need to stop hurting innocent folks who want to be a part of the promise Pacifica constantly offers......
Truth and Reconciliation - folks need to resolve issues and a moratorium on all past behavior is a good idea too - if folks would only come to the table, look folks in the eyes - come to the table expecting a peace to evolve - somethings got to happen
You folks waste so much time
- shame with 50 pages of nightmare bylaws and constant slaps from the parliamentarian board for not doing Robert right
My suggestion: get rid of Robert's rules - or relax the tightly gripping paralysis it has caused!
more audio, more video - document this time!
Eileen J. Goodman
Free Pacifican
Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eileen,
How are you going to get rid of folks without using the tactics that you say you abhor? You cannot have it both ways. You want to get rid of the people who caused the banned and the fired by banning and firing? Think this through.
Kevin White
Eileen Goodman <backyardballerina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Loraine,
You need to look into the mirror and you'll be needing to provide some evidence for your acquisitions because I intend to suggest that folks who act in the manner as you have - have no place in Pacifica.
I'm under no opinion that Pacifica can help me - as I have often felt like an undocumented participant with no rights and Farah's threat included no resolution between us and so that goes..... Still
If procedures can be in place to make folks welcomed into Pacifica not fearing or being afraid my attempts to heal my pain will be the reward I have for speaking out on these private boards.....
Eileen J. Goodman
"L. Mirza" <haq4u@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
eileen,
Now just who belongs to this alleged "free land of
terror" group? Just how is this alleged "nationally
organized" group terrorized folks? Please give
specifics so we can all duck and cover to protect
ourselves from these "terrorists" only you seem to
identify. Oh, is Carol Spooner and her Spouse the
leaders of the terrorists? Please give the exact WMD
used by these terrorists and their leaders? Are they
like the old boogymen of terror, the alleged secret
commie cells or secret al-qaida cells, just waiting
underground for the right time to send their rein of
terror on those who oppose them at Pacifica?
--- Eileen Goodman <backyardballerina@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Loraine,
>
> I applaude the elected PNB finally doing
> something. Interesting how Gregory Wonderwheel steps
> in NOW to do the same old same old - try to
paint a
> picture of how horrible it would be to exam how
> folks have behaved in their actions and words.
> Since those folks, aligned Nationally have had a
> free rein of terror towards anyone who opposes or
> does not go along with the Carol Spooner Progressive
> Faction!
>
> It is not OK to terrorize people - period, let the
> Pacifica folks know what went down!
>
> It is not OK to ruin someone reputation, let the
> Pacifica folks know that disagreemments, especially
> politically, IS A FACT OF LIFE - and will always be
> a part of Pacifica - For folks who wish to be
> involved it is absolutely essential they be
> transparent, to have the courage to face their
> advarsary in the eye, dialog and come to an
> agreement - even if it is to agree to disagree -
> folks in Pacifica - need to have
courage and
> determination to stand for their actions and
> thoughts - when challenged.
>
> Program Councils - programmers who complain about
> Pacifica matters on the air - need to give a
> response time for rebuttal - I'm convinced this is
> absolutely necessary!
>
> Again - Bless the sensability of the elected PNA
> to finally do something and tell those folks - the
> rein of terror is OVER!
>
> Eileen J. Goodman
>
> "L. Mirza" <haq4u@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> You could let it go, but then try sitting on a
> nail
> and you will know what a thorn in the backside you
> are. Have fun sending my words of wisdom to your
> FBI,
> CIA, PUC and JustUs coalition friends or who ever
> else
> you call friends.
>
> --- Eileen Goodman
<backyardballerina@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Loraine,
> >
> > Sorry - I know this will upset you but, again -
> I
> > don't know how to comment on your post and will
> > forward to the other lists your comments
> >
> > "L. Mirza" <haq4u@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Nope, your post is an example of true white
> > racism.
> > Keep up the good work, eleen, exposing your
> > insecurity
> > about being around those with a dip of the tar
> brush
> > who don't fit your narrow image and experience.
> >
> > --- Eileen Goodman <backyardballerina@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jim,
> > > I want to thank you for pointing out what
> should
> > > appear obvious. I do understand Ms. Davis's
> >
> complaint because this keeps happening and how
> > does
> > > one defend one's self with blanket statements
> > > constantly spoken or posted by the list-prog,
> > pircr,
> > > known by me - now, as the Carol Spooner
> > progressive
> > > faction ..... Good for Lisa in speaking out.
> > >
> > > I hope Lisa will try and hold an olive branch
> to
> > > Patty - but - as Fred points out these folks
> don't
> > > dialog - unless amongst themselves....
> > >
> > > Now, with that said - maybe Patty made some
> > > off-the-cuff remarks, maybe Lisa had enough -
> > still
> > > - we can go round and round the merry-go-round -
> > > AGAIN... or, start to ask - why folks continue
> to
> > > character assault
with little or nothing at all
> of
> > > an opinion as to why they feel this way.....
> > >
> > > You all should know, of how I have tried to
> > > support Loraine. Loraine and I disagree on
> > Pacifica
> > > politics. This does not mean I entirely support
> > the
> > > JUC. I only marvel at what they've had to put up
> > > with..... still
> > >
> > > Loraine's posting to me is a great example of
> > what
> > > Lisa Davis is saying about this group of
> > people.....
> > >
> > > BTW: I won't be signing a letter of support
> for
> > > Lisa, even though I see her need to speak out
> > > because I just don't..... I'd rather see Lisa
> and
> > > Patty
get past their differences and recognise
> > that
> > > they both belong in Pacifica and can use their
> > good
> > > energy in much better ways - being involved
> > players,
> > > that is....
> > >
> > > Eileen J. Goodman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim DeMaegt <jdemaegt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Felashi Ofan wrote: "I used the term
> > > bolshevik, not communist. If you
> > > don't understand the
> > > difference between those words, get a library
> card
> > > and start to read
> > > books."
> > > --------------------
> > > It is just this type of insults and ad
> > hominem
> > > attacks
that is being
> > > protested against by Lisa Davis. And yet for
> some
> > > reason people say that
> > > Lisa Davis is wrong to protest.
> > > Any opposition to some of the "factions"
> > result
> > > in this type of insults
> > > and ad hominem attacks. That is not democracy
> and
> > > the "factions" and people
> > > who make such attacks must be throw out of their
> > > little power clicks at
> > > Pacifica.
> > > Please suppport Lisa Davis and support her
> > > effort to stop this type of
> > > faction dictatorship at Pacifica.
> > >
> > > Jim D.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Felashi Ofan" <felashiofan@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To:
<NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:47 AM
> > > Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: SUPPORT LISA DAVIS
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim
> > DeMaegt"
> > > <jdemaegt@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Ah yes a well reasoned anti-Communist
> post.
> > > >
> > > > I used the term bolshevik, not communist. If
> you
> > > don't understand the
> > > > difference between those words, get a library
> > card
> > > and start to read
> > > > books.
> > > >
> > > >> That is the new Pacifica
> > > >> Mission all right.
> > > >> If you have something to say you might try
> > using
> >
> some logic and
> > > >> reason to explain it rather than just using
> > > insults and threats.
> > > >> I can see why Lisa Davis is complaining.
> > > >
> > > > You see a threat somewhere in what I wrote?
> > (Maybe
> > > brush up on your
> > > > reading comprehension skills before going to
> the
> > > library.)
> > > >
> > > > You want "logic and reason"? OK, at the risk
> of
> > > casting pearls before
> > > > swine, here you go:
> > > >
> > > > The logical response to this has been laid out
> > by
> > > others. And that
> > > > shouldn't even have been necessary. Anyone who
> > > takes the time to
> > > > investigate the matter dispassionately cannot
> >
help
> > > but realize that
> > > > it's race-baiting of the most obvious sort.
> > > >
> > > > The only evidence Davis has proffered that the
> > > remarks were racist is
> > > > that Heffley is white and she is black.
> > Apparently
> > > that is now
> > > > sufficient -- to PC, leftist retards -- to
> make
> > a
> > > personal insult a
> > > > racist insult.
> > > >
> > > > Having accepted that idiocy, you now have to
> > > accept the inferences it
> > > > leads to: ANY insult from a white person to a
> > > "person of color" is
> > > > prima facie racism. And the burden of
> > (impossible)
> > > proof now falls on
> > > > the white person to prove they weren't being
> > > racist.
>
> > >
> > > > Racism is no longer something objective, which
> > can
> > > be identified by an
> > > > onlooker. And it isn't something subjective,
> in
> > > the mind of the
> > > > (alleged) racist. It is now to be found in the
> > > mind of the (alleged)
> > > > victim!
> > > >
> > > > If we want to decide if a remark is racist, we
> > no
> > > longer examine the
> > > > remark itself, or the motivation of the
> speaker,
> > > we now examine the
> > > > opinion of the recipient! (And of course
> there's
> > > no way to tell if
> > > > that opinion is genuine or contrived.)
> > > >
> > > > So in order to tell whether Patty said
> something
> > > racist, we don't
> > > >
examine what she said, or even what she meant.
> > We
> > > instead rely only on
> > > > what Lisa Davis says Patty meant. This would
> be
> > a
> > > disastrous return to
> > > > pre-logical thinking even if Davis were 1) a
> > > competent intellect, and
> > > > 2) honest. But considering Davis is neither,
> the
> > > whole notion is so
> > > > much horseshit.
> > > >
> > > > Yet despite the fact that it's intellectual
> and
> > > ethical horseshit, YOU
> > > > bought it hook, line, and sinker. And then you
> > > wonder why I didn't see
> > > > the need to waste "logic and reason" on you in
> > the
> > > previous post!
> > > >
> > > > Nonetheless, it is fun to see you of all
> people
> > >
complaining about
> > > > rudeness and insult in a post to this list.
> > Thanks
> > > for the amusement.
> > > >
> > > > Felashi Ofan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Jim D.
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Felashi Ofan" <felashiofan@...>
> > > >> To: <NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:23 PM
> > > >> Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: SUPPORT LISA DAVIS
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Lisa Davis is the Tawana Brawley of WBAI.
> > Shove
> > > that -- along with
> > > >> > your letter -- up your ignorant, bolshevik
> > ass,
> > > you pathetic bore.
> >
> >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim
> > > DeMaegt" <jdemaegt@>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I support the letter writing campaign
> in
> > > support of Lisa
> > > > Davis.
> > > >> > Please write letters and e-mail posts in
> > > support of her.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Jim D.
> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> From: Kevin White
> > > >> >> To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:22 PM
> > > >> >> Subject: Re:
[NewPacifica] FWD: SUPPORT
> > LISA
> > > DAVIS
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> This is stupid.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Jim Murray <jimmurra@> wrote:
> > > >> >> Note to rocklandfriendsofwbai list
> > > subscribers: the following
> > > > is
> > > >> > an
> > > >> >> announcement of a letter writing
> > campaign.
> > > If you wish to
> > > >> > comment on
> > > >> >> it, pro or can, rather than clogging
> > this
> > > list, please sign
> > > > up
> > > >> > for, and
> > > >> >>
send your comments to our discussion
> > > listserv,
> > > >> >> rocklandfriendsofwbaiforum. Enter a
> > search
> > > for the name at
> > > >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/. Thank you.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> FYI Lisa Davis is an active member of
> > one
> > > of the most dynamic
> > > >> > African
> > > >> >> American-led organizations in the
> > > Tri-State area, the
> > > > People's
> > > >> >> Organization for Progress. Cornell
> West,
> > > who gets over 50
> > > >> > requests for
> > > >> >>
speaking engagements per day, speaks
> to
> > > POP at no charge. He
> > > > and
> > > >> > other
> > > >> >> community leaders belong to this great
> > > group. Check out POP
> > > > at
> > > >> >> http://www.njpop.org/
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Dear WBAI Listeners.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> One of our most dedicated, outspoken
> > WBAI
> > > Local Station Board
> > > >> > members,
> > > >> >> LIsa Davis, needs our help. Lisa was
> > > shamefully insulted by
> > > >> > another
> > > >>
>> board member, Patti Heffley, in a
> manner
> > > most people of color
> > > >> > would
> > > >> >> instantly recognize as racist.
> Heffley,
> > > who is white, said
> > > > that
> > > >> > Davis
> > > >> >> wanted to be a member of Pacifica's
> > > National Board (PNB) to
> > > > get
> > > >> > free
> > > >> >> food and hotel lodging at PNB
> meetings.
> > > Lisa is African
> > > >> > American.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Imagine if this exchange had happened
> on
> > > the floor of the U.
> > > > S.
> > > >>
>> Congress, if a white Senator said that
> a
> > > Black Senator was
> > > >> > working for
> > > >> >> free food. Unthinkable in 2006, isn't
> > it?
> > > However, Heffley's
> > > >> > supporters
> > > >> >> at WBAI are boldly mocking Lisa Davis.
> > > Why? Because they can
> > > > get
> > > >> > away
> > > >> >> with it. Rather than simply getting
> the
> > > apology she deserves
> > > >> > from
> > > >> >> Heffley, Lisa Davis has been put on
> the
> > > defensive. It is a
> > > >> > classic case
> > > >> >> of
blame the victim. It is well known
> > that
> > > racism in the
> > > > North
> > > >> > does not
> > > >> >> take the overt form that it takes in
> the
> > > South. Despite the
> > > > fact
> > > >> > that
> > > >> >> Heffley did not use the "n" word, her
> > > meaning was appallingly
> > > >> > clear.
> > > >> >> Lisa Davis, a tireless worker and a
> > highly
> > > regarded member of
> > > >> > the
> > > >> >> dynamic People's Organization for
> > Progress
> > > in New Jersey,
> > > >> > deserves
> > > >> >> better than
this.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Please, by tomorrow night, send emails
> > of
> > > support to board@
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Tell them that there is no place for
> > > racist verbal assaults
> > > > on
> > > >> > board
> > > >> >> members who work long hours to serve
> the
> > > community with no
> > > >> >> compensation. And that white people
> who
> > > imply that people of
> > > >> > color run
> > > >> >> for the board to get free meals and
> > hotel
> > > rooms should not be
> > > >> >> representing
any of us.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thank you,
> > > >> >> Sheila Hamanaka
> > > >> >> Rockland Friends of WBAI
> > > >> >> Member, Justice and Unity Campaign of
> > WBAI
> > > >> >> Member, Rockland Coalition for Undoing
> > > Racism
> > > >> >> Producer, Women's Collective, East
> Asia
> > > Radio Collective of
> > > > WBAI
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> New Pacifica Working Group
> > > >> >>
> http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica
> > > >> >> 'Save Our Stations!'
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > >
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> > Mirza
> > Published by Crescent International Newspapers,
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> > "The story of a long-suffering people told with
> > compassion and sensitivity. All who care for
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> > must read this book. Loraine Mirza, an American
> > Muslim print and broadcast journalist, has written
> > this remarkable account of the 'Stranded
> > Pakistanis,' trapped in internment camps in
> > Bangladesh since 1972." (Zafar Bangash, Director
> of
> > Institute of
Contemporary Islamic Thought.)
> > For more information:
> > e-mail: haq_for_u@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > crescent@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > crescent.uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Visit web sites:
> > www.statelesspeopleinbangladesh.net
> > www.OBATHelpers.org
> > www.muslimedia.com
> > www.ihrc.org
> >
> >
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> > http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica
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> = = = = = = = = = = =
> Read "Internment Camps of Bangladesh," by Loraine
> Mirza
> Published by Crescent International Newspapers, Inc.
> 300 Steelcase Road West, Unit 8, Markham, Ontario,
> Canada L3R 2W2
> "The story of a long-suffering people told with
> compassion and sensitivity. All who care for justice
> must read this book. Loraine Mirza, an American
> Muslim print and broadcast journalist, has written
> this remarkable account of the 'Stranded
>
Pakistanis,' trapped in internment camps in
> Bangladesh since 1972." (Zafar Bangash, Director of
> Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought.)
> For more information:
> e-mail: haq_for_u@xxxxxxxxxxx
> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> crescent@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> crescent.uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Visit web sites:
> www.statelesspeopleinbangladesh.net
> www.OBATHelpers.org
> www.muslimedia.com
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Read "Internment Camps of Bangladesh," by Loraine Mirza
Published by Crescent International Newspapers, Inc.
300 Steelcase Road West, Unit 8, Markham, Ontario, Canada L3R 2W2
"The story of a long-suffering people told with compassion and sensitivity. All who care for justice must read this book. Loraine Mirza, an American Muslim print and broadcast journalist, has written this remarkable account of the 'Stranded Pakistanis,' trapped in internment camps in Bangladesh since 1972." (Zafar Bangash, Director of Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought.)
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