Pam,
Just wanted to say - I have enjoyed your posts to Richard very much. I too value Richard's posts and read most of them - always finding good vibes and thought through his eyes...
Eileen J. Goodman
Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jim,
Richard has been trying for too long now to engage people on NP in
discussions of issues he feels are important. He even stopped posting for
a while because he was so discouraged by the quality of the posts here.
He's been complaining that no one will take him on except with jokes and
2-liners. You deride him (and me), but this list exists for the very
purpose Richard wants to use it for, which is to explore ideas that are
relevant to Pacifica.
If
you think activism and racism are the only topics worthy of discussion
on a Pacifica listserv, take a lesson from activist-actor Dennis Weaver,
whom we know best from Gunsmoke and McCloud, but who was also an
environmentalist and an economist, who preferred to be called an
"ecolonomist", the term he coined for the organization he formed to
address two of the biggest problems facing people today: the environment
and the economy. As Weaver said, you can't have one without the other.
http://www.ecolonomics.org/ecolonomics.org/pages/ioe_home.html
Dennis Weaver was a big proponent of hydrogen fuel. Even at the age of
78 he was driving alternative fuel vehicles across the country, making
The Drive For Life and The Drive To Survive trips to wake people up to
the possibilities that exist. His own house in Colorado called
"Earthship"
was a "solar mass" house that used solar energy, but also mass to achieve
natural heating and air conditioning depending on the season, like caves do.
If you listen to the interview on the WBAI archives you'll find out how they did
it, and it's quite fascinating.
My post was mainly in response to Richard's, which was why I focused on
Weaver's ideas about religion, which he believed to be responsible for many
of the world's ills throughout the centuries up to today, yet he also thought
that spirituality may be the grace that can save the world. Why not
discuss that contradiction instead of jeering? Are you laughing at the
idea of spirituality/+-/religion as having any meaning for leftists or
the Pacifica community? Is activism the only thing that matters? Because
Dennis Weaver was both an activist and something beyond that, and he
obviously saw spirituality outranking activism in the scheme of things. So Jim,
you may
have a thing or two to learn from conversing with Richard.
Pamela
Jim DeMaegt wrote: Fortunately the New Pacifica listserv is filled with posts like those below that are oh so very relevant to Pacifica matters. Melinda's posts are irrelevant to Pacifica matters, however, so she must be "moderated". Sig Heil oh Pacifica in-crowd. Jim D.
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