I believe foretelling whether Obama or McCain will be installed and not actually elected is not accurately determinable until both candidates have been assigned their running mates. Should we feel compelled to vote for Obama when common sense dictates this election will be fixed regardless of the actual vote counts? If the fascist juggernaut has the power to fix the outcome of this race, why worry that Obama receives "more than enough votes to beat the election rigging" (a total logical disconnect, I might point out for those that live in fantasyland). For those that want to continue the self delusion that the electorate's choice is being accurately accounted for, sure...vote for the gifted and talented orrator. For those self-deluded that think that voting for McKinney or Obama for that matter is a way to "send a message", then do that. For those that realize no one will be receiving much less accurately reporting the number of "sent messages", then I suppose it makes sense to vote for the candidate that best represents your own views, but for what purpose other than to reinforce one's private modicum of hope. Lest we forget Jesse's stupid-is-as-stupid-does mantra, "Keep hope alive". In terms of the progressive, anti-FASCIST movement (yes, this is a fascist state), then vote for the best anti-fascist candidate running. Without question that would be Cynthia McKinney. If one is still terrified not to vote for Obama, then consider the election rigging fascist elite's perpective: The election can and if necessary be rigged to ensure the elite's choice, whether that choice is McCain or Obama (for whatever reasons). In this case, how we vote will not fetter the outcome which will be predetermined by the fascists. It's as simple as that. So, vote your conscience instead. Among other critical issues, McKinney is the only candidate still running that has the courage to speak about 9/11 clearly being a US government covert operation. Let the election-rigged chips fall where they may. If Obama loses to election rigging, will we have any more impact upon Obama's intent to ivestigate the rigging than we had on Kerry's response to Ohio's rigged election in 2004? Absolutely not. But yet, most who are reading my diatribe will not be able to face that reality and will reinforce their delusion that voting for Obama is 'out only hope'. If that's the case, then face it, there is none. JM -----Original Message----- >From: Shiu Hung <shiuhung@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Jun 28, 2008 10:17 AM >To: Joseph Wanzala <wanzala@xxxxxxxxx> >Cc: fulcrumsofchange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] [NewPacifica] Obama And The Fall Into >Tyranny: The Hard Choice > > Unfortunately, even Paul Craig Roberts, like so many in the > progressive community, and their media handlers, has fallen victim to the > 'lesser of two evil' propaganda, again. Only this time, they have and will > continue to raise the level of absurdity of the ABM Treaty (Anybody But > McCain), as perpetrated by the DLC. > > Please check out the following website: > http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=421&Itemid=52 > > Shiu > > > >Joseph Wanzala <wanzala@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Obama And The Fall Into Tyranny: >The Hard Choice > >by Paul Craig Roberts > >Global Research, June 22, 2008 > >http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9417 > > >As articles by John Pilger, Alexander Cockburn, and Uri Avnery make >clear, by groveling before the Israel Lobby Obama has dispelled any >hope that his presidency would make a difference.... > >(snip) > >Obama's election would signify the electorate's rejection of Bush and >the Republicans. Considering the cowardice of the Democratic Congress >and its reluctance to hold a criminal regime accountable, electoral >defeat is the only accountability that the Bush Republicans are likely >to experience. > >It is not sufficient accountability, but at least it is some accountability. > >If the Republicans win the election and escape accountability, the >damage Republicans have done to the US Constitution, civil liberty, >and a free society will be irreversible. The Bush Regime and its >totalitarians have openly violated US law against spying on Americans >without warrants and US and international laws against torture. The >regime and its totalitarians have violated the Constitution that they >are sworn to uphold. Bush's attorney general Gonzales even asserted to >the Senate Judiciary Committee that the US Constitution does not >provide habeas corpus protection to American citizens. > >When federal courts acted to stop the regime's unconstitutional >practices and abuse of prisoners, the Republicans passed legislation >to overturn the court rulings. The Republican Party has shown beyond >all doubt that it holds the US Constitution in total contempt. > >Today the Republican Party stands for unaccountable executive power. > >To reelect such a party is to murder liberty in America. > >The June 12 Supreme Court decision pulled America back from the abyss >of tyranny. For years hundreds of innocent people have been held by >the Bush regime without charges, a handful of which were set to be >tried in a kangaroo military tribunal in which they could be convicted >on the basis of secret evidence and confession extracted by torture. > >The Court ruled 5-4 that detainees have the right to appeal to >civilian courts for habeas corpus protection. The Bush Republicans >claiming "extraordinary times" had created a gestapo system in which >the government could accuse, without presenting any evidence, a person >of being a threat and on that basis alone imprison him indefinitely. >Justice Anthony Kennedy reminded the Republican Brownshirts that "The >laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in >extraordinary times." > >Bush's current attorney general, Michael Mukassey, said he would >proceed with his kangaroo trials. > >President Bush indicated that he was inclined to again seek to >overturn the Court with a law. > >Brownshirt Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said he would draft a >constitutional amendment to restore the executive branch's tyrannical >power. > >Republican presidential nominee John McCain said that the Supreme >Court decision protecting habeas corpus "is one of the worst decisions >in the history of this country." > >The four Supreme Court justices (Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas) >who voted for tyranny in America are all Republicans. They all came >out of the Federalist Society, a highly subversive group of right-wing >lawyers who are determined to elevate the powers of the executive >branch above Congress and the Supreme Court. > >The Republican Party has morphed into a Brownshirt Party. The party >worships "energy in the executive." If the Brownshirt Republicans are >reelected, they only need one more Supreme Court appointment in order >to destroy American liberty. > >That is what is at stake in the November election. As bad as Obama is >on important issues, his election will signal rejection of the tyranny >to which the Republicans are committed. > >Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the >Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street >Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. > >He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. 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