The newpacifica list archive for Jun-07
- A. Gregory Wonderwheel, wonderwheel@xxxxxx
abriginal, abriginal@xxxxxx
Calvin Nicholson, calvin_nicholson@xxxxxx
Carolyn Birden, cmcb007@xxxxxx
Christopher Bayard Condon, lacitizensgrandjury@xxxxxx
- [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: grab a dacq: historic opportunity, Jun 26, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 26, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 25, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: Demonstrations, picket lines and sit ins at KPFK and all Pacifica stations apparentl;y willl be needed to move things along, Jun 24, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 24, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: KPFK programmers under attack [was my response to Goodman], Jun 24, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: [my response to Goodman, Jun 23, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: Who is calling whom a Racist?, Jun 22, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: KPFK public affairs and News programmers are under attack, Jun 20, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: Terry G. fails to respond to questions about airing Rapid Response phone number, Jun 19, 2007
CraigGingold, gingold@xxxxxx
- Re: [NewPacifica] Abu Ghraib Whistleblower on 60 Minutes Tonight, Jun 24, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Abu Ghraib Whistleblower on 60 Minutes Tonight, Jun 24, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Foreign Policy In Focus: Culture of Evil (and more), Jun 19, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Michael Moore does Nightline TONIGHT, Jun 13, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Colombian Victims Advocates Sue Chiquita over Death Squads, Jun 10, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Biofuel Fascism in Colombia, Jun 10, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Bill Moyers: Christian Parenti on Afghanistan: TONIGHT on PBS, Jun 08, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Energy Primer: ERoEI, Jun 04, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: Clean energy claim: Hydrogen breakthrough -- aluminum in your car tank, Jun 04, 2007
Deborah Speer, SatrnGrl@xxxxxx
Eileen Goodman, backyardballerina@xxxxxx
- Re: [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 26, 2007
- Re: [NewPacifica] Re: permission to reprint, Jun 25, 2007
- Re: [NewPacifica] permission to reprint, Jun 25, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: [pacifica_now] Re: [fulcrumsofchange] Re: [my response to Goodman, Jun 22, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: [fulcrumsofchange] Re: [my response to Goodman, Jun 22, 2007
- Re: [fulcrumsofchange] Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [kpfklsb_comments] Clarifying Pa..., Jun 19, 2007
- Re: [fulcrumsofchange] Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [kpfklsb_comments] Clarifying Pacifica procedures for B..., Jun 19, 2007
- Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [kpfklsb_comments] Clarifying Pacifica procedures for B..., Jun 19, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: [kpfklsb_comments] Clarifying Pacifica procedures for Banning our citics..., Jun 18, 2007
evan davis, evan@xxxxxx
F. Frank Le Fever, Ph.D., fflefever@xxxxxx
Frank LeFever, fflefever@xxxxxx
- [NewPacifica] The sequence: (1) incompetence, (2) confrontation, (3) race-baiting., Jul 01, 2007
- [NewPacifica] On LSB Report, Nia Bedkako vehemently denied it., Jun 30, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Re: LSB radio show tonight, 9 pm - 11 pm, Jun 26, 2007
freethec_5, freethec_5@xxxxxx
greg gieselman, aachen@xxxxxx
- [NewPacifica] indeed: why bother about pacifica?
gg
why bother about pacifica? why indeed.
Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:50PM
there are likely as many answers to that one as there are formerly involved persons who remain interested, but are no longer involved.
although no poll has been done--one really isn't doable--it would surprise no one to learn that many of those persons stay in touch with each other. although they have no interest in being involved again, from time to time, the question of what pacific might have been comes up.
at some point--however close or distant--whoever or whatever groups pick up the pieces of pacifica, many not greatly dissimilar questions will be asked yet again.
irrespective of whatever legal form or entity the network survives in--presuming it does--the next time around, those addressing the questions will almost certainly not make the same mistakes. [one would hope that they'll make different mistakes, but that is another converation.]
why not the same mistakes?
1. substantially different people.
2. new listeners: persons who do not despise their local communities, their country, their culture or themselves.
3. adult supervision.
discussion:
1. those involved will be diffferent. the true-believer + red-diaper loons are dying off. they will be gone soon. the aging kiddie cocktail anarchists are also going away. they are among the grimmest lifeforms on earth. some of them will even end up as republican county chairwomen. of the remaining jihadist loons, some will burn out, some will mellow + some will end up in a turkish prison. too bad.
NB: those of you who are headed for prison, please be sure carol spooner + dave adelson have your correct addresses so that they can come visit you on pacifica holy days, e.g., anniversay of the day the hijackers were overthrown.
2. pacifica listeners who have a brain + a job other than being an irritant to the world, have been leaving in droves for years. they will be a long time coming back, if they ever do. these were the people who believed that the greatest diversity of all is the diversity ideas. they refuse to be litmus-tested. if the goings-on at kpfk are representative, they are not welcome at pacifica now.
3. whatever court or administrative agency ends up with the matter will likely not allow more of same. they'll pull the plug before they re-assign licenses to a similar group of the walking dead. perhaps more importantly, so will the pacifica insurance companies, if there are any left.
. . . . .
the broadcast licenses, however, devalued as they may be, may well survive. somewhere out there in the world is a group of 20 or 30-yr olds who could not care less about the discreditted surrogate politico-religions of the fratricidal brain dead left + their endless bickering. they know full well that so-called progressives as currently constituted are little more than backward-looking, bitter burnouts who define themselves in terms of what they are against.
understandably, this new group--whoever they are--do care about the potential of new radio, even given that it is changing as we speak.
it will be interesting to see how well, how quickly + how innovatively they'll approach the matter.
recap: pacifica does not resolve conflict. it creates it. as currently constituted, that is all it can do. it has become a repository of self-selecting clerics. the dreary endless conflict is partly a function of the fundamentalist loons who currently undermine it + partly a function of its own enabling history. to the extent it survives, most of the current crew will almost certainly not be a part of whatever emerges. [that in itself suggests there may be a god, but that is a conversation for another time.]
that's why some still bother.
a glass of bubbly, eh?
gg
* => kpfk announces new program. world is saved. — gg, Sun Jun 24 11:32PM
o ..and I was waiting for Jesus — Anon A Moose, Mon Jun 25 4:54PM
+ moose: the chinese blessing/curse applies here. — gg, Mon Jun 25 7:54PM
# Too many Fu Manchu flicks, Goose? — Anon A Moose, Tue Jun 26 5:44PM
* why bother about pacifica? why indeed. — gg, Tue Jun 26 7:50PM
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gg
why bother about pacifica? why indeed.
Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:50PM
there are likely as many answers to that one as there are formerly involved persons who remain interested, but are no longer involved.
although no poll has been done--one really isn't doable--it would surprise no one to learn that many of those persons stay in touch with each other. although they have no interest in being involved again, from time to time, the question of what pacific might have been comes up.
at some point--however close or distant--whoever or whatever groups pick up the pieces of pacifica, many not greatly dissimilar questions will be asked yet again.
irrespective of whatever legal form or entity the network survives in--presuming it does--the next time around, those addressing the questions will almost certainly not make the same mistakes. [one would hope that they'll make different mistakes, but that is another converation.]
why not the same mistakes?
1. substantially different people.
2. new listeners: persons who do not despise their local communities, their country, their culture or themselves.
3. adult supervision.
discussion:
1. those involved will be diffferent. the true-believer + red-diaper loons are dying off. they will be gone soon. the aging kiddie cocktail anarchists are also going away. they are among the grimmest lifeforms on earth. some of them will even end up as republican county chairwomen. of the remaining jihadist loons, some will burn out, some will mellow + some will end up in a turkish prison. too bad.
NB: those of you who are headed for prison, please be sure carol spooner + dave adelson have your correct addresses so that they can come visit you on pacifica holy days, e.g., anniversay of the day the hijackers were overthrown.
2. pacifica listeners who have a brain + a job other than being an irritant to the world, have been leaving in droves for years. they will be a long time coming back, if they ever do. these were the people who believed that the greatest diversity of all is the diversity ideas. they refuse to be litmus-tested. if the goings-on at kpfk are representative, they are not welcome at pacifica now.
3. whatever court or administrative agency ends up with the matter will likely not allow more of same. they'll pull the plug before they re-assign licenses to a similar group of the walking dead. perhaps more importantly, so will the pacifica insurance companies, if there are any left.
. . . . .
the broadcast licenses, however, devalued as they may be, may well survive. somewhere out there in the world is a group of 20 or 30-yr olds who could not care less about the discreditted surrogate politico-religions of the fratricidal brain dead left + their endless bickering. they know full well that so-called progressives as currently constituted are little more than backward-looking, bitter burnouts who define themselves in terms of what they are against.
understandably, this new group--whoever they are--do care about the potential of new radio, even given that it is changing as we speak.
it will be interesting to see how well, how quickly + how innovatively they'll approach the matter.
recap: pacifica does not resolve conflict. it creates it. as currently constituted, that is all it can do. it has become a repository of self-selecting clerics. the dreary endless conflict is partly a function of the fundamentalist loons who currently undermine it + partly a function of its own enabling history. to the extent it survives, most of the current crew will almost certainly not be a part of whatever emerges. [that in itself suggests there may be a god, but that is a conversation for another time.]
that's why some still bother.
a glass of bubbly, eh?
gg
* => kpfk announces new program. world is saved. — gg, Sun Jun 24 11:32PM
o ..and I was waiting for Jesus — Anon A Moose, Mon Jun 25 4:54PM
+ moose: the chinese blessing/curse applies here. — gg, Mon Jun 25 7:54PM
# Too many Fu Manchu flicks, Goose? — Anon A Moose, Tue Jun 26 5:44PM
, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] gg
why bother about pacifica? why indeed.
Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:50PM
there are likely as many answers to that one as there are formerly involved persons who remain interested, but are no longer involved.
although no poll has been done--one really isn't doable--it would surprise no one to learn that many of those persons stay in touch with each other. although they have no interest in being involved again, from time to time, the question of what pacific might have been comes up.
at some point--however close or distant--whoever or whatever groups pick up the pieces of pacifica, many not greatly dissimilar questions will be asked yet again.
irrespective of whatever legal form or entity the network survives in--presuming it does--the next time around, those addressing the questions will almost certainly not make the same mistakes. [one would hope that they'll make different mistakes, but that is another converation.]
why not the same mistakes?
1. substantially different people.
2. new listeners: persons who do not despise their local communities, their country, their culture or themselves.
3. adult supervision.
discussion:
1. those involved will be diffferent. the true-believer + red-diaper loons are dying off. they will be gone soon. the aging kiddie cocktail anarchists are also going away. they are among the grimmest lifeforms on earth. some of them will even end up as republican county chairwomen. of the remaining jihadist loons, some will burn out, some will mellow + some will end up in a turkish prison. too bad.
NB: those of you who are headed for prison, please be sure carol spooner + dave adelson have your correct addresses so that they can come visit you on pacifica holy days, e.g., anniversay of the day the hijackers were overthrown.
2. pacifica listeners who have a brain + a job other than being an irritant to the world, have been leaving in droves for years. they will be a long time coming back, if they ever do. these were the people who believed that the greatest diversity of all is the diversity ideas. they refuse to be litmus-tested. if the goings-on at kpfk are representative, they are not welcome at pacifica now.
3. whatever court or administrative agency ends up with the matter will likely not allow more of same. they'll pull the plug before they re-assign licenses to a similar group of the walking dead. perhaps more importantly, so will the pacifica insurance companies, if there are any left.
. . . . .
the broadcast licenses, however, devalued as they may be, may well survive. somewhere out there in the world is a group of 20 or 30-yr olds who could not care less about the discreditted surrogate politico-religions of the fratricidal brain dead left + their endless bickering. they know full well that so-called progressives as currently constituted are little more than backward-looking, bitter burnouts who define themselves in terms of what they are against.
understandably, this new group--whoever they are--do care about the potential of new radio, even given that it is changing as we speak.
it will be interesting to see how well, how quickly + how innovatively they'll approach the matter.
recap: pacifica does not resolve conflict. it creates it. as currently constituted, that is all it can do. it has become a repository of self-selecting clerics. the dreary endless conflict is partly a function of the fundamentalist loons who currently undermine it + partly a function of its own enabling history. to the extent it survives, most of the current crew will almost certainly not be a part of whatever emerges. [that in itself suggests there may be a god, but that is a conversation for another time.]
that's why some still bother.
a glass of bubbly, eh?
gg
* => kpfk announces new program. world is saved. — gg, Sun Jun 24 11:32PM
o ..and I was waiting for Jesus — Anon A Moose, Mon Jun 25 4:54PM
+ moose: the chinese blessing/curse applies here. — gg, Mon Jun 25 7:54PM
# Too many Fu Manchu flicks, Goose? — Anon A Moose, Tue Jun 26 5:44PM
* why bother about pacifica? why indeed. — gg, Tue Jun 26 7:50P, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] grab a dacq: historic opportunity, Jun 26, 2007
Hobces, hobces@xxxxxx
Jim Curtis, jcurt@xxxxxx
- [NewPacifica] Fw: [Miles Mendenhall] [gjdanscinfo] Avaaz - Breakthrough at the G8, Jun 16, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Fw: Climate Climax, Jun 07, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Fw:[April Hurley] [NIONSC] Tell Congress to Repeal Provision Removing Local Rights to Regulate Food and Crops, Jun 03, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Fw: FW: [SFVeg] Clean energy claim: Hydrogen breakthrough -- aluminum in your car tank, Jun 03, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Fw: [NIONSC] [DASW] Critical Mass Bike Ride June 8th; Int'l Day of Action Against Climate Change & the G8, Jun 01, 2007
Jim DeMaegt, jdemaegt@xxxxxx
- [NewPacifica] Text of Proposed Sanctuary Resolution of the City of Inglewood , California, Jun 30, 2007
- [NewPacifica] : Inside ICE Newsletter, Jun 30, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Fw: [pacifica_now] Class Struggles: an Aztlan Perspective., Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] The Immigrant Rights Movement at a Crossroads-US Socia Forum, Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Class Struggle: an Aztlan Perspective., Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Foundations of Class Struggle: an Aztlan Perspective, Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] fw.: First Meeting of the Emergency Response Network, Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] EMERGENCY ORGANIZING MEETING!! STOP ICE RAIDS!!, Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Utopia designed, Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] : Foundations of Class Struggle: an Aztlan Perspective, Jun 29, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Anti-Communism - A Pacifica Perspective, Jun 28, 2007
- [NewPacifica] fw.: Foundations of NO Class Analysis: A Pacifica Perspective, Jun 28, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Terry G.sn disgusting positon on immigration KPFK LSB refuses to support airing theImmigration Rapid Response phone number, Jun 28, 2007
- [NewPacifica] : Foundations of Class Struggle: an Egyptian Perspective, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] : Foundations of Class Struggle: A Egyptian Perspective, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] : Foundations of NO Class Analysis: A Pacifica Perspective, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] fw.: Foundations of Class Analysis: A Marxist Perspective, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] fw.: Amendment and apology to Terry,re Terry G.s disgusting positon on immigration, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Terry G.s positon on immigration KPFK LSB refuses to support airing the Immigration Rapid Response phone number, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] right wing oppositon to immigrants on Pacifica, Jun 27, 2007
- [NewPacifica] Terry G.s positon on immigration KPFK LSB refuses to support airing the Immigration Rapid Response phone number, Jun 27, 2007