yes, good 'ol Capitalism --- vote with your dollars... that is a great way to run a community radio. Of-course, Pacifica (specifically KPFA) is not a community radio station, it is a private station - given how listeners are supposed to "vote" --- with their $$$. Altaf On Jun 4, 2006, at 7:49 AM, pamela somers wrote: > Well I'm glad you did mention the word "radio" once, anyway. It > seems to me that the network too often strays afar from its > purpose, which is not activism per se, but radio. The boards were > set up for governance purposes, not to control or dictate what goes > on the radio. The boards are elected by listeners with the intent > of preventing rogue board takeovers of the network. Listeners do > have a say in what gets broadcast, by listening (or not) and > supporting (or not). Listeners vote for governance, but they also > vote for programming with their ears and their dollars. > > Pamela > > Altaf Bhimji wrote: >> No, I don't see it as a two street at all... I think the way >> things are set up --- there is not much outreach to activists at >> all... the kind of things you are talking about --- is basically >> playing a power game --- and it is not at all something most >> activists will be interested in playing with KPFA --- esp. not >> with the kind of incredibly busy schedules most of us have, >> holding down full time jobs, and the rest of the time going to >> other things... The responsiblity for transparency and making the >> process of change within KPFA an easier and fluid process is the >> responsibility of those who chose to run for the local boards, and >> those who are elected to those boards... I do not have the time to >> do the kind of stuff you described... infact, I've done that been >> there... it is the kind of internal pacifica politics that made it >> impossible to continue being involved, unless it was the only >> thing i'd be doing... that was not worth my time... nor is this >> process you described. I know how things work in private, and >> behind the scenes politics... it is precisely to avoid that kind >> of nonsense that we decided upon something like democracy... >> unfortunately, those who got elected, did not make the process any >> easier, and in some cases have made it even more difficult. I'm >> fully aware of the differing political perspectives, and how they >> jockey for power ---- that does not make for a community radio >> station --- it makes it a station that stays in the hands of a few >> insiders. (of which i choose not to be). Altaf On Jun 4, 2006, at >> 1:42 AM, Debbie Speer wrote: >>> I sure see how all this techno/governance-babble doesn't help >>> answer many questions. I think the way the bylaws are set up, >>> flaws and all, work both ways -- change can and will happen, but >>> not quickly and not without a lot of deliberation by all >>> interested parties, not the least of whom are the foundation >>> members -- and not just a vocal subset of them. A lot of people >>> who remain involved with our boards have obviously either bailed >>> out of these public lists or started their own private ones. >>> Heck, I *know* they have. Others aren't very keen on the idea of >>> publicly posting on the broader Pacifica lists because their >>> comments are likely to get cherry-picked by political opponents >>> for one-sided attack, and likely behind their backs. I have every >>> expectation that this one will, too. That's a lousy result, >>> because it limits input. And it's happened on all "sides" of our >>> various political divides. There's no "transparency" when people >>> don't feel free to speak their minds. But it is kind of a two- >>> way street. >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- >> ~--> Get to your groups with one click. 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