--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Furthermore, if one member of your LSB is carrying a > concealed weapon you should have announced it to the room > and called the police to request his permit. I believe it > is remiss of you to have not said anything before now. > > Lew Hill would spin in his grave if he heard that. As usual, Kevin does not hesitate to shoot off his mouth about things of which he knows nothing. I disclosed the gun-carrying publicly soon after I observed it, his doing so was subsequently confirmed and publicly disclosed by someone else, and the situation has been widely discussed in NYC for a couple of years. I did not "announce it to the room" immediately, because the meeting was adjourned and people were leaving. Instead, I asked several bystanders if they had seen the weapon, but none that I asked had at that time. If anything would make Lew Hill turn in his grave, it would be the diminished capacity for INFORMED discussion among Pacifica members these days. --Frank LeFever > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx> > To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > PacificaRadiowaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; jdemaegt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; > fulcrumsofchange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > rocklandfriendsofwbai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > pacificaradiowaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; > freekpfk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; pnb@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Melinda > Iley-Dohn <Iley_dohn@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:52:36 PM > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] > [PacificaRadiowaves] Re: Fw: [WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC] Executive > session, July 23 > > > I do read your messages. And you do present almost a > parody of the worst of behavior that you classically see > from the medical profession (and almost no where else); > that "I'm like a god: why am I talking to > you" crap that medical doctors do when they're way > too much up their own butts. > > Funny that academics are usually the most humane of > doctors. They are usually nurturing and caring individuals. > The classic negative behavior that I'm referring to only > seems to happen with health care workers of a certain age. > > I'm sorry, Dr. LeFever, but you're not reading the > by laws if you think that subjects outside of the by laws > are legally allowed executive session for whatever reason. > > We've had purges of one kind or another at KPFT, and > other than Amenah; an obnoxious child who got herself > elected to the KPFT LSB, our purges have been in public. > We've even had open "trials" with a impartial > arbitrator. > > As much as I complain about KPFT, I have to admit that our > governance structure is the best and most fair in the > "network." > > Kevin White > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Frank Le Fever <fflefever@yahoo. com> > To: PacificaRadiowaves@ yahoogroups. com; > jdemaegt@sbcglobal. net; NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. com; > fulcrumsofchange@ pacificana. org; rocklandfriendsofwb > ai@yahoogroups. com; pacificaradiowaves@ yahoogroups. com; > freekpfk@yahoogroup s.com; pnb@pacifica. org; Kevin White > <cuitlacoche1@ yahoo.com>; Melinda Iley-Dohn > <Iley_dohn@yahoo. com> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:42:52 PM > Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] > [PacificaRadiowaves ] Re: Fw: [WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC] Executive > session, July 23 > > > Kevin and Melinda don't read my messages, because > I'm "not nice" > and "get personal", but some of the other readers > (if anyone > reads what Kevin and Melinda chat about) might want to see > how > widely their fantasies of The Big City and the Crazy WBAI > LSB > vary from the actual circumstances. Here is what I said > before: > > Posted Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:31 pm at PacificaRadioWaves: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > Re: Executive Sessions for everything -- and Location > Needed > for the Secret Session > > There is at least one and possibly two people I know of who > > will probably be identified by name in this closed session, > > and be described as disruptive and (in one case, > especially, > a really really BIG guy) potentially violent. > > [I was eye-ball to eye-ball with him at the last LSB > meeting > and helped "ease him out" at the prior meeting.] > > It would be wrong to describe them this way publicly, and > moreover risky to do so for legal reasons. > > --Frank LeFever > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^ > > And now, to make something else explicit, the people in > question (whose rights of privacy would be violated if > the LSB discussed them in public session) are not members > of the LSB, nor staff members: they are members of > "the > public" who regularly show up and hold the entire > meeting > hostage to their diatribes and perambulations for as long > as it takes for several of us to persuade them to leave. > > There is at least one LSB member who has been known to > bring a "concealed" weapon (pistol visible only > when his > jacket is opened just right), but he is not the target of > this executive session. There is a former LSB member > (defeated in her bid for re-election) who had been banned > from the station for physical assault on more than one > fellow-delegate, but she is not the target of this closed > session. There is at least one staff member who has been > involved in "fisticuffs" in the station, but he > is not the > target. > > The session is to be closed to prevent charges of slander > which might be the response of one or more members of > "the public" > to their being discussed frankly in open session. > > --Frank LeFever > > > From: Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@ yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fulcrumsofchange] [PacificaRadiowaves ] > Re: Fw: [WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC] Executive session, July 23 > > To: PacificaRadiowaves@ yahoogroups. com, > jdemaegt@sbcglobal. net, NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. com, > fulcrumsofchange@ pacificana. org, rocklandfriendsofwb > ai@yahoogroups. com, pacificaradiowaves@ yahoogroups. com, > freekpfk@yahoogroup s.com, pnb@pacifica. org > > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 3:31 PM > > Actually, no Melinda. The by laws already hold the > promise > > of "transparency and community" radio. The > PNB is > > the one holding back. And since these are public by > laws, > > having a better foundation council (that doesn't > work > > toward solely for cash settlements and dragging other > > court cases way past their reasonable end date) might > be > > the solution. Radio stations don't usually get > sued by > > fired employees; they stay fired. Only Pacifica seems > to > > have to pay and pay and pay. > > One good sound way of preventing future lawsuits is > for the > > PNB to FOLLOW THEIR OWN BY LAWS! > > Respectfully speaking, Melinda, you can also tell that > to > > Mrs. Loopner. > > K > > BTW: since it's not covered under executive > session > > according to our by laws, just who is the > "potentually > > violent" PNB member? Has he committed the crime > yet, or > > is being tried for future crimes that haven't > happened > > yet? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Melinda Iley-Dohn <Iley_dohn@yahoo. com> > > To: PacificaRadiowaves@ yahoogroups. com; > > jdemaegt@sbcglobal. net; NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. > com; > > fulcrumsofchange@ pacificana. org; > > rocklandfriendsofwb ai@yahoogroups. com; > > pacificaradiowaves@ yahoogroups. com; > > freekpfk@yahoogroup s.com > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:08:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [PacificaRadiowaves ] Re: > [Fulcrumsofchange] > > Fw: [WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC] Executive session, July 23 > > > > > > Hello Mrs Loopner! This is a prime example of what I > have > > been talking about. The station is full of vultures > who are > > only so happy to cut open further this already > bleeding > > radio station. > > Their sharks on retainers are circling in the East > River > > waiting for their first opportunity. > > > > WHY do they hold executive sessions for everything but > > public comment? Even Homer > > Simpson would exclaim..... "Do'OH!". > When > > people will start working for the betterment > > of the community, which HAPPENS to be one of the > largest > > markets in creation.... THEN > > we will see transparency and community radio. Who > knows? > > They COULD turn a profit, > > quit taking hard earned contributions from other > stations > > and they could grow to be a > > stronger organization. This is exasperating! > > > > Peace and Love to you and yours....... > > Melinda Iley-Dohn > > Read a Blog- A gulity pleasure and You can learn!Leave > > your opinion so they can know you were there too! > > http://johnmccainis bushlite. blogspot. com/ - > > http://slaverynever existed.com/ > > http://texaslovesob ama.blogspot. com/ - > http://muckraker- > > gg.blogspot. com/ > > > > Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm tired of my rights being taken away because of > an > > unnamed "emergency." > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "jdemaegt@sbcglobal .net" > > <jdemaegt@sbcglobal . net> > > To: NewPacifica@ yahoogroups. com; fulcrumsofchange@ > > pacificana. org; rocklandfriendsofwb ai@yahoogroups. > com; > > pacificaradiowaves@ yahoogroups. com; > freekpfk@yahoogroup > > s.com > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:10:43 AM > > Subject: [Fulcrumsofchange] Fw: [WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC] > Executive > > session, July 23 > > > > So (see the post below) even though the > > "Executive session" is not > > allowed by the By-Laws then call one anyway and > everyone > > will probably agree > > so go ahead with an "Executive Session" that > is > > in admitted violation of the > > By-Laws. Wow - that is the very essence of Pacifica. > > (Although the person > > who wrote the post below seems very honest and sincere > in > > her suggestions to > > do this.) > > > > Jim "By-Laws or laws of any type or listeners > > rights of any type - NO > > WAY that would not be Pacifica." D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "wbai afishman" <afwbai@yahoo. > com> > > To: <WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC@ yahoogroups. com>; > > <afwbai@yahoo. com> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:13 AM > > Subject: [WBAI-LSB-PUBLIC] Executive session, July 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchel et al, > > > > > > I do not believe that an emergency session or an > > emergency change of time > > > (too many members may not be able to reschedule > at > > all) for a meeting can > > > be called by one member of the LSB alone. If > there > > is not time for the > > > whole board to be consulted, the officers may > decide > > this, but they must > > > discuss this somehow and then notify each member > by > > phone. > > > > > > Nor do the grounds offered fall into the confines > for > > calling an executive > > > session of the board, serious as they might be. > > > > > > I think the best way to handle this is to make a > > motion at the top of the > > > meeting on July 23 (Robert's Rules must > provide a > > way to do this), explain > > > that though this issue does not strictly fall > within > > the confines of an > > > executive session, that people must be protected, > > physically, and request > > > that the board agree immediately to begin the > meeting > > in executive session > > > and to beg the listeners' patience in this > > emergency, and to wait for the > > > start of the public session at x o'clock. > This > > motion will certainly > > > pass. > > > > > > > > > Andrea =============================================