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     This anthropological theory is supported by some very progressive 
and scholarly pioneers in the field and by a number of leading feminist 
philosophers, but I ( and I think they, too) would disagree with the 
conclusion that in order to build an egalitarian classless society it 
will be necessary to cleave off in isolated pockets to incubate models 
for change.. The resources simply aren't there to accommodate large 
scale utopian migrations and the degree of interdependency we've come to 
rely on are too deeply ingrained in our habits and practices. Besides; 
if the very people who would dedicate themselves to change exile 
themselves from the larger society that leaves the concentrations of 
wealth and power increasingly in the hands of those who would do the 
most harm. What you are proposing, harkening back to Robert Owen, or, 
more recently, Brigham Young, Scott and Helen Nearing, Steven Gaskin, 
Jim Jones, Charles Manson (not all examples here are commendable) is the 
physical equivalent of what the Green Party, or Nader is accomplishing 
politically. The corrollary, of course, is that we work against "the 
system" from within as long as that is where we can be most effective.
       Composing this on Bastille Day I am reminded that, historically, 
barricades tend to attract bullets.
      Evan
      

LasiewiczN@xxxxxxx wrote:
> In a message dated 7/11/2008 8:00:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> phantom@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
>     There are no poor folks among the ruling elites. 
>
>  
> I can think of only one Age in which poor are among the ruling elites, 
> and that would be during the 200,000 years of hunter-gatherers.  
> Anthropologist say those societies were very equal, where everyone did 
> everything.  We (humans that is) would wander around eating and 
> drinking off the land, and then sit around at the end of the day with 
> our closest 40 or 60 friends and gossip.  Sounds pretty nice all right.
>  
> Once farming and animal husbandry began, the notion of ownership 
> began.  Geographic evidence says this began in Africa...so the 
> "blacks" were the first to stake out territories and start the cycle 
> of ownership and hierarchy, kingdoms and fiefdoms. 
>  
> I think that divisions of class is here to stay.  Now, rather than cry 
> "oppression" at every possible turn, how about if people start to band 
> together to form alternative structures that work as well as to take 
> more personal responsibility?  I think that's Obama's message.
>  
> Nalini
>  
> PS  I have a vision for smart cities....we ought to launch some 
> hunter-gatherer areas where people who wish to live in harmony with 
> nature and in classless societies be given the opportunity, with the 
> blessing and support of society.  Those areas might become the 
> incubators of creative ideas and alternative livestyles that revolve 
> around sustainable living and humane care of community. 
>
>
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