on 1/12/06 6:59 PM, Frank LeFever at fflefever@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Avis Worthington > <avisworth@xxxx> wrote: >> But Fred's family was privileged. More than the white males who > are my >> descendants. Lots more than my miner and homesteader ancestors. >> Avis > > I have to admit I know little about Fred's actual experience . . .. > > Maybe Fred's family said, "You have to achieve or else," and he feels white males are keeping him from attaining what should be his. Some immigrant families are like that. Avis > > So... Fred seems to be saying that he had unpleasant experiences > growing up, and he associates them with systematic oppression of the > powerless by the powerful, often organized along "racial" lines. > And it is so important for him to understand his life and the world > in these terms that other consideratons (logic, orderly process, > fair hearing of opponents) have to yield. > > > Anyway, one more time: I don't think Fred drove people away or dried > up serious discourse here. Possibly some REACTIONS to Fred pushed > serious discourse off the page and set a tone that made people look > elsewhere to place their serious, on-topic thoughts. > > --Frank > New Pacifica Working Group http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica 'Save Our Stations!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewPacifica/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NewPacifica-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/