I just wanted to add my congratulations to those of Jaimie and others. I haven't posted on this list in a couple of years and hardly ever look at it because of the garbage from Fred and a couple of others. Let's hope for a return to civil and productive dialogue on this list and elsewhere in the coming year. Alex Steinberg --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "James Ross" <jross@xxxx> wrote: > > Hi > > I used to love this list. When it started it was very educational. The > archives are a treasure. > > Then about 3 years ago it lost something - there were more attacks, > off-topic posts, pointless threads, etc. Since then I don't come here > very often. A lot of the interesting people from past years don't come > here very often either. > > I strongly believe the moderator has the right and duty to remove > people who detract from the list. It's like a party - guests who > insult everyone and start fights have to go (unless that is the > purpose of the party). > > It is not a free speech issue, in my mind - Fred has plenty of > opportunity to express himself. If he wants, he can start his own > yahoo group. > > Jamie > > (who has recently been called a racist, a cop, and a friend of agents > by Fred on the Rockland WBAI list) > > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "L. Mirza" <haq4u@xxxx> wrote: > > > > Yes, true, but I still uphold fred's right to freely > > express his stupidity as his assertions are always > > easy to challenge and counter. > > > > However, as the moderator of this list, I also > > understand your right to make the decisions about this > > list. NewPacifica is afterall, not an offical Pacifica > > e-list but started by private individuals, such as > > yourself, and therefore the calls are yours to make. I > > respect that and accept that too. Hard to balance free > > speech of the subscribers, and the right of those who > > have taken the initiative to start and maintain these > > lists to determine the rules. Others who disagree with > > the way a list is run are free to leave and even start > > a list of their own. > > > > --- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxx> wrote: > > > > > Loraine, > > > > > > You are right in your agreement that many of Fred's > > > posts contain -- > > > and I couldn't have said it any better -- "pure > > > personal attacks" and > > > "outright slander". And that will not be tolerated > > > here in the name of > > > free speech. > > > > > > Pamela > > > > > > L. Mirza wrote: > > > > > > >Well fred, now it's time for me to stand up for > > > your > > > >right to express your nonesence in the name of free > > > >speech on this list or anywhere else in the world. > > > >This despite my agreement that many of your posts > > > are > > > >pure personal attacks, blantantly racist and often > > > >vulgar and outright slander. > > > > > > > >--- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > >I'm suspending your posting privileges for now, > > > until > > > >I can decidewhether or not to ban you from the > > > list, > > > >for your racist posts and personal attacks such as > > > the > > > >one below. > > > > > > > >Pamela > > > > > > > >siddharta2@xxxx: In a message > > > dated > > > >12/17/2005 10:35:03 A.M. Eastern StandardTime, > > > >cmcb007@xxxx writes: > > > > This is the kind of personal attack that > > > should > > > >not be allowedon this or any list that attempts to > > > >promote dialogue. That thespeaker is racist we > > > know: > > > >this is the same person who called SteveBrown a > > > >"F*%#ing Zionist pig," so we know that Fred is > > > >ignorant notonly of Steve's politics (and I suspect > > > a > > > >lot of other things he claimsto be expert in) but > > > also > > > >of the fundamentals of civil discourse. He > > > iscorrect: > > > >he should have been removed for the quantity, not > > > to > > > >mentionthe quality, of his posts long ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carolyn Birden > > > > > > > > Reply: > > > > > > > > I love Ms Birden because she's so easy to debate > > > >with. > > > > She's definitely right on 2 things. My opinion > > > is > > > >that Mr.Brown is a zionist provocateur and, as a > > > >proof, I offer that headvocated for the accession > > > of > > > >Mike Feder, another known zionist to theGM position > > > at > > > >BAI. Zionists will never be in power at > > > >Pacificabecause they are allied with the extreme > > > >religious right. Even somewhite people now > > > understand > > > >that since they are being challenged intheir belief > > > >that their own ancestors may have been other > > > >thanmonkeys. Mr Brown is a peddler and a > > > marketeer, > > > >he has the opinionsthat please his audience. But > > > his > > > >methods of calling African Americans"Blacknats" > > > >(understand "Malcolm X is a bad person") had > > > >himuncovered. I was told that his internet > > > rantings > > > >have been collectedand bound for posterity. > > > Calling > > > >black people racists is a method ofthe Zionists. > > > The > > > >Zionists masqueraded as socialists in the 50s and > > > >60sin order to enlist many Jewish intellectuals but > > > >progressively throughthe years they have morphed > > > back > > > >into the extreme racist andcolonialist ideology > > > which > > > >they modeled on their observation of > > > >Germannationalism, which was contemporary to their > > > >movement and aspirations. Zionism is the main > > > product > > > >of Jewish bourgeois nationalism and itadvocates the > > > >conversion of an entire people from a levantine > > > >folkorigin to a nation granted an ethnically > > > cleansed > > > >land and will,in return, spread the joy of their > > > >miraculous metamorphosis into a 5000year old white > > > >skin European clone. Mr. Brown and hismethodical > > > >attacks on black people have the same stamp > > > >andcharacteristics of the attacks which were made > > > on > > > >movements of color inthe 1970s, which we now know > > > had > > > >the active assistance of Zionist molesposing as > > > Jewish > > > >leftists. If it smells like a rat.... > > > > > > > > I also characterized Mr. Brown as a pig and I > > > stand > > > >by thatimage. At the farm, the pig is the only > > > animal > > > >which has no naturalfear of humans and will come to > > > >you smelling you everywhere. Mr. Brownis very well > > > >known for is provocative antics in BAI related > > > >meetings,coming right to the face of his targets > > > (in > > > >one case, less than a footaway) and snapping > > > >repetitive flash photography to disorient > > > thesubject. > > > >He has published unauthorized photos of mine on the > > > >internet,although I must admit, some of the photos > > > >made me look quite handsomesince he uses very > > > >expensive cameras which his vast fortune affords > > > him. > > > > > > > > In summary, I maintain my statement and opinion > > > that > > > >Mr. Brownis no Charlie Brown. I believe him to be > > > a > > > >Zionist plant targetingpeople of color as his > > > primary > > > >mission to remove the most radicalcomponent of this > > > >beloved station. To his defense, Mr. Brown is > > > notthe > > > >only one. The hijackers has a similar goal but > > > were > > > >moved byanother puppeteer, the liberal democrats. > > > As > > > >for his performance as afarm animal, no one ever > > > >accused me of hating fellow living creatures,since > > > I > > > >am after all a vegetarian. But when a pig gets > > > pesky > > > >andsmells in places we do not wish to be, a farmer > > > >will tell you that afirm kick in a soft rear side > > > is > > > >in order. That's what he got andthat's what he > > > >deserved. He can still sit on his comfortable > > > bacon. > > > >But I have to warn others to beware of his soft > > > spoken > > > >approach. Pigsare known to have very little self > > > >respect and to steal your lunch whenyou look away > > > from > > > >them. > > > > > > > > As for dialogue Ms Birden, you know I am one of > > > your > > > >fans andwill always respond to you in kind, if not > > > >always kindly. But who saysthat a true debate has > > > to > > > >be kind. To me, you are just a person,nothing > > > more, > > > >nothing less. The only thing I detest is your > > > >methods. It is also my stance in life to tell > > > people > > > >what I see in them. What Isee in you, Ms Birden > > > >floods me with regrets which I express byexhorting > > > you > > > >to reform yourself and stop agitating for > > > >outsideinterests. Most people I know think of you > > > >with compassion. I suggestyou need the expert > > > hands > > > >of a professional massage therapist, someoneto > > > relax > > > >this angst you have about people you want to > > > destroy > > > >for someobscure reasons. Give it a try. > > > > > > > > Fred N. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Pacifica Working Group > > > >http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica > > > >'Save Our Stations!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > YAHOO! 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