At 1:02 AM -0800 2/19/08, Emmett Abati Doe wrote:
The above (and what followed) is a perfect
example of intellectually and culturally biased,
academic-snobbish bull-shit.
I rest my case.
cmb
At 1:02 AM -0800 2/19/08, Emmett Abati Doe wrote:
Carolyn Birden <cmcb007@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have noticed that many African Americans use
racial terms to mask class differences and
educational differences. So when I hear one
Black person maligning the other as "not really
Black" or "Oreo" or some such term, I look at
the class differences, the linguistic
differences, the ethnic origins of the people
involved, the educational differences, and
finally (being female) take into account good,
old fashioned jealousy and envy. ...
The above (and what followed) is a perfect
example of intellectually and culturally biased,
academic-snobbish bull-shit.
...made in america
Carolyn Birden <cmcb007@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have noticed that many African Americans use
racial terms to mask class differences and
educational differences. So when I hear one
Black person maligning the other as "not really
Black" or "Oreo" or some such term, I look at
the class differences, the linguistic
differences, the ethnic origins of the people
involved, the educational differences, and
finally (being female) take into account good,
old fashioned jealousy and envy. Much of the
internecine battles at WBAI, I believe, were
based on class differences, which got expressed
in terms of color but, considering the sources
of the abusive terms, were really exhibitions of
simple envy, class hatred, and ultimately power
relationships. And then there is what Armand
DeMele calls "wealthism" (coined on the model of
sexism and racism), the hatred and jealousy of
people with wealth. Examine the "he's not one
of us" remarks aimed at Bill Cosby, Barack
Obama, Cory Booker, and so on - all of the above
seem to apply. I suspect that people of every
ethnic group can look at the class differences
within their own ethnicity and see a parallel
phenomenon. Most groups have slang terms for
people who have risen above the ordinary
achievement level of their group, and I'm sure
we can all recite some of them. So what else is
new?
Carolyn
At 4:40 PM -0500 2/18/08, Robert Knight wrote:
First of all, I did not "misquote" you.
In the English language, ellipses are used to
indicate the omission of a word or phrase
(three periods ...), or a sequence including a
full sentence (four periods ....). If you
actually read my citation of your claims, you
will find the elisions accurately reflected
your odd and antagonistic statement.
Second, I omitted Mr. Obama's well-known
"African" (actually, Kenyan) roots in order to
draw attention to your curious, unsubstantiated
and possibly erroneous claims of his
"Caribbean" and "South American" heritage.
Please, Mr. Doe, give us proof of your claims of Mr. Obama's
1. "Caribbean" roots; and
2. "South American" roots.
Please explain these unsubstantiated claims!
Furthermore, I am troubled by your invidious
characterization of Mr. Obama as an "Oreo
cookie." What wisdom gives you the insight to
so malign a black man of considerable
accomplishment with such a racist term as
"Oreo" -- which presumes that black success is
necessarily white behavior?
What makes you wiser than the overwhelming (and
sometimes nearly unanimous) approval for his
candidacy by black voters across the country?
They clearly do not consider Mr. Obama to be an
"Oreo" or "Uncle Tom," or whatever else your
enlightened, antagonistic wisdom may consider
him to be.
-RK
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