--- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Richard" <rsierra12@...> wrote: > > /R doesn't involve himself in scriptural interpretation on NP board > and never has. That rubbish has already been dealt with. >It doesn't belong here. I completely agree. But this list has become a swamp of off-topic posts by juvenile theologians. So why stop now? > However, in the course of my dialogue > with Melinda, a left christian, who introduced a subject that was > not contained in my comments, I decided, unwisely, to give her one > shot with one verse. How big of ya! Too bad you didn't foresee that someone else who actually knows something about the topic (not to imply that Melinda doesn't) might just take you up on the offer. > I shouldn't have done that as it sets a bad precedent. > > Sorry, FO, but I'm not going to engage you re the cited verses for > the stated reasons and their implications. Namely, that you don't know the chapters I referenced and are incompetent to discuss them. We all realize that now, if we didn't previously. But please continue making grand, sweeping generalizations about religion and metaphysics that have no actual basis in anything other than your own opinions. > > Glad you're interested in the bible. It's an interesting, if controversial, > book to say the least. > - > For general info only: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Christian_left I > haven't read the website but somewhere in there there may well be positive > (left) references or links to the "woman priest/minister" issue. / R Thanks, but I don't need wikipedia or other similar links to teach me about the bible, Christianity, Paul, the left, or the Christian left. When I find myself faced with a knowledge deficit, I do the tough digging in original sources and slowly form my own opinions, grounded (I always hope) in real evidence, rather than my own imaginings. All the best, F.O. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Felashi Ofan > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:23 AM > To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [NewPacifica] Re: Fred's Nonsense is [anti-] Wisdom > > --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Richard" <rsierra12@> wrote: > > > > Take one shot from scripture and give me one example. I don't want > to keep > > tying up the board on religion nor do I want to start proving this > or that > > from a biblical basis. This isn't the place for that. But if you > wish go > > ahead. /R > > Some obvious examples would be 1 Corinthians, 11 and 1 Timothy, 2. > These are well known and oft-debated texts. > _____ > > > > From: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > Behalf Of Melinda Iley-Dohn > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:54 PM > > To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: RE: [NewPacifica] Re: Re: Fred's Nonsense is [anti-] Wisdom > > > > > > > > I have been known to have issues with Paul at times in his > writings. I have > > thought that he was used to often to defend some pretty sexist > rhetoric. > > > > Richard <rsierra12@> wrote: > > > > Melinda said: True. Jesus was and still is a voice of civility for > many more > > than two thousand years later. > > > > /R agrees but adds he was passionate about truth and emotiomally > reacted > > justly to whomever(s) in whatever appropriate manner. The other > side of the > > coin is illustrated by a specific conversation with (to be) St. > Paul when he > > very harshly shouted at him, "Get behind me, Satan!" Arguing Paul > found out > > he didn't know the truth and who the teacher was and who the student > > (disciple, a learner; the word means one disciplined). At times, as > it was > > then, a verbal slap across the face can be good medicine. Dummy > Paul shut up > > and opened his ears and began to learn. /R > > > > - >