Thanks Nalini, Must admit - I'll have to read most of your post later. But, yes, I left one (or two) thoughts out and want to share that, as I quickly pick up some of that in your thoughts below. Yes, Carol supported and encouraged and remained silent and in that way she was an accomplish to all pacifica campaign activity and ignored folks like me raising flags - everyone else that I tried to reach told me to go away - how dare you kinds of stuff - and worse - the names they called me and what they accused me of - you know, you saw it happen on these private boards, as you too suffered the "attacks" when you tried to share. And yes, some good folks, like Don White stood in solidarity and later became PIRCR, which is really the pacifica campaign surrounded with lots of new folks, ignorant of all that action. It gave Terry Goodman what he needed when he responded to my posts, on these boards, telling folks I didn't know what I was talking about. And Loraine M. was never there - What she did on these Boards was propaganda - and these folks encouraged her.... oh that's right - she was fed "enough" truth to get away with that. anyway - please don't respond to that - for I won't reply... I don't feel the need to do that - at this time.... and it's complicated - HOWEVER These are the pitbulls Carol continues to support (or their followers) and wants to take over and control Pacifica. Be careful - many now, totally convinced Carol is a God - and, as I see it, have been psychologically worked over and actually believe they are doing the right thing - supporting this "hidden" faction - they all keep insisting doesn't exist. Well, it does - it's National and it is pacifica campaign, But... even though Juan started it - he was on the outside and they don't like him... Dan Coughlin was the main organizer of pacifica campaign - they didn't like him either - look at how they trashed his character... So, some good folks, caught up in all that, went along with it. I remained silent too, that is until I finally started to speak out. Whoops - sorry - not now But, yes - I thought Carol was an innocent until recently because she supports these war makers. The game - keep taking down management and boards til we get our folks in. They have money - deep-pocket and are well organized and enough "good activists" supporting them - making them look good. I could now say things you'd be angry about - but, really - everywhere you look, even that group - new and good people who are reachable if we continue to insist that we come together for dialog, debate and looking folks in the eye. However, the pitbulls so far - continue to ignore any suggestions of truth and reconcilation and or a mortorium (for their bad behavior) - in order to move on. That's a concern Nalini - many, many folks - who support these folks are really good folks, like Don White. I remember he apologized to you about that. Don and I have had our differences - but make no mistake Nalini - Don is a peacemaker, I really need to believe that. I've got to go. Eileen J. Goodman --- LasiewiczN@xxxxxxx wrote: > > In a message dated 12/17/2007 6:25:24 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > backyardballerina@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > Actually, > like programming, the Pacifica Campaign was > autonomous > in each area. So you really can't blame her or Juan > or > Dave... like you have, for those horrible actions. I > tried to stop it back then and then horrible things > > > > > > For some reason, you separate the campaigns. Even > if the groups were > autonomous, they formed a coalition. They used each > other's resources and > rhetoric. The vulture flyers featured the "Remove > the Board" talking points and > quoted the cockeyed legal analysis that Dave and > Dan, Carol and Gregory were all > dishing out in their various Updates and Marching > Orders. The intent of > Juan's campaign was to harass the very same > "enemies" on Carol's Remove the Board > hit list which happened to correspond with the > Defendents named on Dave and > Rob's lawsuits. The various campaigns were more > closely intertwined than > you suggest. I don't see that Carol has changed a > bit. I see her using the > same approach over and over, in each one of many > interventions. The Carol that > made her "demands" about firing four managers as a > prerequisite for the next > ED to even take the job is the same outlandish, > outrageous, ego-maniacal and > "off with their heads" approach that she took > before. > > Even today, we see the fragile coalition intact. > All you guys need to come > together every once in a while is for someone like > me to remind you about > your old common enemy. That's the glue that keeps > you together, and keeps > thousands of long time and former supporters > waiting in the wings wondering what > the hell you guys are fighting about. Y'all can > dispise each other for > months, and years, on this list, but if it comes to > admitting that maybe the Old > Board really did take some appropriate actions when > they let go of certain > staff or when they wanted to create a sustaining > funding base or when they > created successful national programming, or sought > to put more accomplished Board > members on the PNB, then you come together like the > Borg, once again, > asserting that you guys, collective, still know > what's better for Pacifica and that > those "evil ones" were "trying to destroy > Pacifica." Even the move to > Washington DC was a smart move, so that our > organization could have been > represented and networked with the leading > grassroots organizations in the nation. > They were raising money for a Pacifica museum, to be > housed in a new building > for WPFW, which would have been visited by thousands > of school children and > tourists who could have learned about Pacifica > Foundation, people who would > never have set foot in Berkeley. [But I'll bet my > bottom dollar that most of > you still think that Berkeley is the center of > Pacifica Foundation now and > forever. Why, I have no idea. Talk about a > provincial town. And just look at > the new cottage industry "cause" for bay area > progressives....sucking tens of > millions of dollars out of the local collages just > because students don't > embrace women's sports as much as they "legally > should." I digress......] > > Among all the campaigns that created the New > Pacifica, the one that stands > out, that led the movement for 2 1/2 years, was > Carol's committee. Her > success in eventually combining all the lawsuits > into one complex case was a last > ditch strategy that, combined with Juan's street > thug tactics, saved the day. > They've all congratulated one another and said that > it could not have been > done without the combined efforts but they never > admit to the brute force that > used. Once the lawsuits were all combined, and the > paid organizers were in > place, there was no way to untangle the lies, stop > the bleeding or slow the > momentum. None of you have ever seen the records of > what Carol's campaign > cost Pacifica. Ask Lonnie to start tracking > exactly how much Mitchel Cohen's > lawsuit will cost Pacifica, and you'll get just a > very small taste of the > direct damage. Carol signed her fund raising > letters with "Pacifica Means > Peace." When, peace? > > The victory of control of Pacifica went not to the > most deserving, or the > most peaceful, but to the ones who used the most > brute force. > > The entire New Pacifica experiment is a failure and > I cannot think of any > single person more responsible than Carol. In my > opinion, and after much > research, I feel that the Lawsuits were baseless. > Carol's intent to "take out" > the Board, which had the institutional memory and > then her support for the > political purging of our management infastructure, > all of whom had a much > broader perspective than Carol ever had, was > incredibly malicious and, so far, > incredibly destructive to the institution. > > In my opinion, she and the iPNB and the subsequent > PNBs have all "acted in > bad faith and with gross abuse of their authority or > actual malice" which is > what she accused others of. Granted, she didn't act > alone....Lorraine Mizra > once said "Anyone with any sense knows there were a > lot of factors. The over > 15,000 who demonstrated at Berkeley. The petitions. > The stringers strike, > Verna Avery Brown's resignation, and the creation > of FSRN. Juan's resignation > and organizing efforts. And of course without the > lawsuits we wouldn't be > anywhere." And that's what makes today's events > even more hard to believe. Carol > sueing Dan? Gregory bashing Matthew? Why, there > were all shoulder to > shoulder back in the day! Back when those "15,000" > were all claiming that once > the "evil corporate board" was removed, everything > would be better and Pacifica > would be safe, and saved. > > It takes brains and patience and vision and talent > and expertise and > perseverance and education to build an institution. > That's what Lew Hill and > Eleanor and their colleagues had. But what has > followed over the decades is that > far less talented people are using brute force to > "take back" something that > they never built in the first place. Pacifica was > cheapened by Carol and Dave > and Rob's lawsuits. Pacifica was mortally wounded > by the iPNB. Pacifica is > a rudderless ship who falls victim to waves of > people who really don't know > the first thing about running a corporation. > > When I saw Don White and Ed Pearl passing out our > battle orders, telling us > which of the "evil ones" on the Pacifica National > Board to "hit" next, I > realized that I was witnessing a dark and > destructive sickness, like aerial > bombing, where the pumped up warriors don't stop to > think about the "collateral > damage" that they are causing. > > While I absolutely do understand and sympathize with > the intent behind some > of the struggle, and the real need for some of the > reforms that were sought, > I think that going to WAR with Pacifica Foundation, > that was the wrong > approach. > > Like most WARS, this one has left Pacifica > Foundation worse off then it was > before. There were victors, of course, with Amy > Goodman and Dan Coughlin > and Dan Siegel and Bernard White, Verna, Valerie, > chief among them, but the > institution of Pacifica is far worse than if they > had never tried to "save" it. > They saved themselves....they did not save Pacifica > Foundation. > > In 1969, KPFK had 10,000 subscribers who were > willing to give some money to > support the station. In 2007, 38 years later, we > have 18-19,000. What more > do I need to say? > > The combined leadership and vision that came from > all your factions of the > various "save" and "remove" and "take back" and > "concerned" and "neighborhood" > initiatives have been a colossal flop. After all > the fanfare, we Members > don't even get to vote for the Foundation Board of > Directors! This 2007 PNB > is probably the most secretive one so far. The > silence IS deafening. > > Carol's misguided fantasies and often unilateral > leadership was key to what > we have today in Pacifica. She was building for > peace. She was only at war > and would take no prisoners. I recall Bessie Wash > telling me about one of > the trips she took to Berkeley to try to work out > some compromise with the > Plaintiffs and the KPFA listeners after Pat Scott > was out. She'll never forget > hearing Carol Spooner, with her face contorted with > hatred, yelling, "I don't > WANT to like you." Carol lived (lives?) in a black > and white world where > Pacifica was invaded by "enemies" and she had some > sort of Joan of Arc ideal of > herself coming to the rescue. > > Maybe Carol's lawsuit were motivated by good things, > but her utter lack of > any pertinent experience in reforming or leading a > national institution and > even more, her WAR mentality, created a deeply > flawed end result. She's still > at WAR with the old board. She still slanders them > and calls them hateful > names and lies about them at every election cycle. > As she doles out her > wisdom, telling us who to vote for at all the > stations, she continues to use the > old WAR chants in order to bolster her credibility. > The fact that she's lying > and hurting good people every time she does it > seems to have no effect on her > conscience. I suspect she will always maintain > that there really were "evil > corporate hijackers" trying to "sell off Pacifica > and pocket the money." At > this point, if she wavered from the essential > rhetoric, she would risk > showing others the flaw in her vision. > > I think many of you took the easy way out, just > believing every thing you > heard on the internet. This is a demonstration of > what the Founding Fathers > called "the tyranny of the majority." What if, as > in the case of today's New > Pacifica, the "majority" is unreasonable, untalented > and inexperienced? So > what if the majority votes a certain way....if the > long term interests of > Pacifica are being comprimised by poor leadership, > then the "democratic" decisions > are the worst decisions. > > During the various campaigns, Carols and the others, > fact checking and > reason were thrown out the window. Carol's intense > rhetoric gave strength to Dan > Coughlin's rhetoric which directed Juan's (aka Amy > Goodman's) rhetoric. > Carol's "bravery" made a lot of you feel brave and > smart and important. But > honestly, the Lawsuit were seeply flawed and > Carol's movement took a fragile > institution which was on an upswing path and turned > it into a madhouse. > > In a society, and in government, institutions are > necessary to the survival > and success of ideals being put into practice. Over > my lifetime, what I've > noticed is a consist ant failure on the progressive > left to sustain > institutions. It is a profound failing. Sorry to > say, but our drug which helps us > live with the real failures of our generation's > legacy, is the rush of > adrenaline that holding a protest sign, or raising > an angry fist, or making flyers > about taking down "the evil ones." These WARS > provide a short term illusion of > making a difference. > > Nalini Lasiewicz > > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top > rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs