And as a consequence of Pacifica's stonewalling? w-\R/-e -----Original Message----- From: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of L. Mirza Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:22 PM To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Re: more personal attacks Could the diminished number and quality of the posts on this list have more to do with the false assumption that we have achieved the goal if getting Pacifica out of the hijackers' control? Of course such compacency could easily undo that achievement. --- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: --------------------------------- Hi Jamie, Thanks for your show of support. I too would like to see our listreturned to its "former glory", and with the help of everyone here,maybe we can do it. Pamela James Ross wrote: HiI used to love this list. When it started it was very educational. Thearchives are a treasure.Then about 3 years ago it lost something - there were more attacks,off-topic posts, pointless threads, etc. Since then I don't come herevery often. A lot of the interesting people from past years don't comehere very often either.I strongly believe the moderator has the right and duty to removepeople who detract from the list. It's like a party - guests whoinsult everyone and start fights have to go (unless that is thepurpose of the party).It is not a free speech issue, in my mind - Fred has plenty ofopportunity to express himself. If he wants, he can start his ownyahoo group.Jamie(who has recently been called a racist, a cop, and a friend of agentsby Fred on the Rockland WBAI list)--- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "L. Mirza" <haq4u@xxxx> wrote: Yes, true, but I still uphold fred's right to freelyexpress his stupidity as his assertions are alwayseasy to challenge and counter.However, as the moderator of this list, I alsounderstand your right to make the decisions about thislist. NewPacifica is afterall, not an offical Pacificae-list but started by private individuals, such asyourself, and therefore the calls are yours to make. Irespect that and accept that too. Hard to balance freespeech of the subscribers, and the right of those whohave taken the initiative to start and maintain theselists to determine the rules. Others who disagree withthe way a list is run are free to leave and even starta list of their own.--- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxx> wrote: Loraine,You are right in your agreement that many of Fred'sposts contain -- and I couldn't have said it any better -- "purepersonal attacks" and "outright slander". And that will not be toleratedhere in the name of free speech.PamelaL. Mirza wrote: Well fred, now it's time for me to stand up for your right to express your nonesence in the name of freespeech on this list or anywhere else in the world.This despite my agreement that many of your posts are pure personal attacks, blantantly racist and oftenvulgar and outright slander. --- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxx> wrote:--------------------------------- Fred,I'm suspending your posting privileges for now, until I can decidewhether or not to ban you from the list, for your racist posts and personal attacks such as the one below.Pamelasiddharta2@xxxx: In a message dated 12/17/2005 10:35:03 A.M. Eastern StandardTime,cmcb007@xxxx writes: This is the kind of personal attack that should not be allowedon this or any list that attempts topromote dialogue. That thespeaker is racist we know: this is the same person who called SteveBrown a"F*%#ing Zionist pig," so we know that Fred is ignorant notonly of Steve's politics (and I suspect a lot of other things he claimsto be expert in) but also of the fundamentals of civil discourse. He iscorrect: he should have been removed for the quantity, not to mentionthe quality, of his posts long ago. Carolyn Birden Reply: I love Ms Birden because she's so easy to debatewith. She's definitely right on 2 things. My opinion is that Mr.Brown is a zionist provocateur and, as aproof, I offer that headvocated for the accession of Mike Feder, another known zionist to theGM position at BAI. Zionists will never be in power atPacificabecause they are allied with the extremereligious right. Even somewhite people now understand that since they are being challenged intheir beliefthat their own ancestors may have been otherthanmonkeys. Mr Brown is a peddler and a marketeer, he has the opinionsthat please his audience. But his methods of calling African Americans"Blacknats"(understand "Malcolm X is a bad person") hadhimuncovered. I was told that his internet rantings have been collectedand bound for posterity. Calling black people racists is a method ofthe Zionists. The Zionists masqueraded as socialists in the 50s and60sin order to enlist many Jewish intellectuals butprogressively throughthe years they have morphed back into the extreme racist andcolonialist ideology which they modeled on their observation ofGermannationalism, which was contemporary to theirmovement and aspirations. Zionism is the main product of Jewish bourgeois nationalism and itadvocates theconversion of an entire people from a levantinefolkorigin to a nation granted an ethnically cleansed land and will,in return, spread the joy of theirmiraculous metamorphosis into a 5000year old whiteskin European clone. Mr. Brown and hismethodicalattacks on black people have the same stampandcharacteristics of the attacks which were made on movements of color inthe 1970s, which we now know had the active assistance of Zionist molesposing as Jewish leftists. If it smells like a rat.... I also characterized Mr. Brown as a pig and I stand by thatimage. At the farm, the pig is the only animal which has no naturalfear of humans and will come toyou smelling you everywhere. Mr. Brownis very wellknown for is provocative antics in BAI relatedmeetings,coming right to the face of his targets (in one case, less than a footaway) and snappingrepetitive flash photography to disorient thesubject. He has published unauthorized photos of mine on theinternet,although I must admit, some of the photosmade me look quite handsomesince he uses veryexpensive cameras which his vast fortune affords him. In summary, I maintain my statement and opinion that Mr. Brownis no Charlie Brown. I believe him to be a Zionist plant targetingpeople of color as his primary mission to remove the most radicalcomponent of thisbeloved station. To his defense, Mr. Brown is notthe only one. The hijackers has a similar goal but were moved byanother puppeteer, the liberal democrats. As for his performance as afarm animal, no one everaccused me of hating fellow living creatures,since I am after all a vegetarian. But when a pig gets pesky andsmells in places we do not wish to be, a farmerwill tell you that afirm kick in a soft rear side is in order. That's what he got andthat's what hedeserved. He can still sit on his comfortable bacon. But I have to warn others to beware of his soft spoken approach. Pigsare known to have very little selfrespect and to steal your lunch whenyou look away from them. As for dialogue Ms Birden, you know I am one of your fans andwill always respond to you in kind, if notalways kindly. But who saysthat a true debate has to be kind. To me, you are just a person,nothing more, nothing less. The only thing I detest is yourmethods. It is also my stance in life to tell people what I see in them. What Isee in you, Ms Birdenfloods me with regrets which I express byexhorting you to reform yourself and stop agitating foroutsideinterests. Most people I know think of youwith compassion. I suggestyou need the expert hands of a professional massage therapist, someoneto relax this angst you have about people you want to destroy for someobscure reasons. Give it a try. Fred N. New Pacifica Working Grouphttp://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica'Save Our Stations!' --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "NewPacifica" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NewPacifica-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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