Could the diminished number and quality of the posts
on this list have more to do with the false assumption
that we have achieved the goal if getting Pacifica out
of the hijackers' control? Of course such compacency
could easily undo that achievement.
--- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Hi Jamie,
Thanks for your show of support. I too would like to
see our listreturned to its "former glory", and with
the help of everyone here,maybe we can do it.
Pamela
James Ross wrote:
HiI used to love this list. When it started it was
very educational. Thearchives are a treasure.Then
about 3 years ago it lost something - there were more
attacks,off-topic posts, pointless threads, etc. Since
then I don't come herevery often. A lot of the
interesting people from past years don't comehere very
often either.I strongly believe the moderator has the
right and duty to removepeople who detract from the
list. It's like a party - guests whoinsult everyone
and start fights have to go (unless that is thepurpose
of the party).It is not a free speech issue, in my
mind - Fred has plenty ofopportunity to express
himself. If he wants, he can start his ownyahoo
group.Jamie(who has recently been called a racist, a
cop, and a friend of agentsby Fred on the Rockland
WBAI list)--- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "L.
Mirza" <haq4u@xxxx> wrote:
Yes, true, but I still uphold fred's right to
freelyexpress his stupidity as his assertions are
alwayseasy to challenge and counter.However, as the
moderator of this list, I alsounderstand your right to
make the decisions about thislist. NewPacifica is
afterall, not an offical Pacificae-list but started by
private individuals, such asyourself, and therefore
the calls are yours to make. Irespect that and accept
that too. Hard to balance freespeech of the
subscribers, and the right of those whohave taken the
initiative to start and maintain theselists to
determine the rules. Others who disagree withthe way a
list is run are free to leave and even starta list of
their own.--- Pamela Somers <psomers@xxxx> wrote:
Loraine,You are right in your agreement that many of
Fred'sposts contain -- and I couldn't have said it
any better -- "purepersonal attacks" and "outright
slander". And that will not be toleratedhere in the
name of free speech.PamelaL. Mirza wrote:
Well fred, now it's time for me to stand up for
your
right to express your nonesence in the name of
freespeech on this list or anywhere else in the
world.This despite my agreement that many of your
posts
are
pure personal attacks, blantantly racist and
oftenvulgar and outright slander. --- Pamela Somers
<psomers@xxxx> wrote:---------------------------------
Fred,I'm suspending your posting privileges for now,
until
I can decidewhether or not to ban you from the
list,
for your racist posts and personal attacks such as
the
one below.Pamelasiddharta2@xxxx: In a message
dated
12/17/2005 10:35:03 A.M. Eastern
StandardTime,cmcb007@xxxx writes: This is the kind
of personal attack that
should
not be allowedon this or any list that attempts
topromote dialogue. That thespeaker is racist we
know:
this is the same person who called SteveBrown
a"F*%#ing Zionist pig," so we know that Fred is
ignorant notonly of Steve's politics (and I suspect
a
lot of other things he claimsto be expert in) but
also
of the fundamentals of civil discourse. He
iscorrect:
he should have been removed for the quantity, not
to
mentionthe quality, of his posts long ago.
Carolyn Birden Reply: I love Ms Birden
because she's so easy to debatewith. She's definitely
right on 2 things. My opinion
is
that Mr.Brown is a zionist provocateur and, as aproof,
I offer that headvocated for the accession
of
Mike Feder, another known zionist to theGM position
at
BAI. Zionists will never be in power
atPacificabecause they are allied with the
extremereligious right. Even somewhite people now
understand
that since they are being challenged intheir
beliefthat their own ancestors may have been
otherthanmonkeys. Mr Brown is a peddler and a
marketeer,
he has the opinionsthat please his audience. But
his
methods of calling African
Americans"Blacknats"(understand "Malcolm X is a bad
person") hadhimuncovered. I was told that his
internet
rantings
have been collectedand bound for posterity.
Calling
black people racists is a method ofthe Zionists.
The
Zionists masqueraded as socialists in the 50s and60sin
order to enlist many Jewish intellectuals
butprogressively throughthe years they have morphed
back
into the extreme racist andcolonialist ideology
which
they modeled on their observation ofGermannationalism,
which was contemporary to theirmovement and
aspirations. Zionism is the main
product
of Jewish bourgeois nationalism and itadvocates
theconversion of an entire people from a
levantinefolkorigin to a nation granted an ethnically
cleansed
land and will,in return, spread the joy of
theirmiraculous metamorphosis into a 5000year old
whiteskin European clone. Mr. Brown and
hismethodicalattacks on black people have the same
stampandcharacteristics of the attacks which were made
on
movements of color inthe 1970s, which we now know
had
the active assistance of Zionist molesposing as
Jewish
leftists. If it smells like a rat.... I also
characterized Mr. Brown as a pig and I
stand
by thatimage. At the farm, the pig is the only
animal
which has no naturalfear of humans and will come toyou
smelling you everywhere. Mr. Brownis very wellknown
for is provocative antics in BAI
relatedmeetings,coming right to the face of his
targets
(in
one case, less than a footaway) and snappingrepetitive
flash photography to disorient
thesubject.
He has published unauthorized photos of mine on
theinternet,although I must admit, some of the
photosmade me look quite handsomesince he uses
veryexpensive cameras which his vast fortune affords
him.
In summary, I maintain my statement and opinion
that
Mr. Brownis no Charlie Brown. I believe him to be
a
Zionist plant targetingpeople of color as his
primary
mission to remove the most radicalcomponent of
thisbeloved station. To his defense, Mr. Brown is
notthe
only one. The hijackers has a similar goal but
were
moved byanother puppeteer, the liberal democrats.
As
for his performance as afarm animal, no one
everaccused me of hating fellow living creatures,since
I
am after all a vegetarian. But when a pig gets
pesky
andsmells in places we do not wish to be, a farmerwill
tell you that afirm kick in a soft rear side
is
in order. That's what he got andthat's what
hedeserved. He can still sit on his comfortable
bacon.
But I have to warn others to beware of his soft
spoken
approach. Pigsare known to have very little
selfrespect and to steal your lunch whenyou look away
from
them. As for dialogue Ms Birden, you know I am one
of
your
fans andwill always respond to you in kind, if
notalways kindly. But who saysthat a true debate has
to
be kind. To me, you are just a person,nothing
more,
nothing less. The only thing I detest is yourmethods.
It is also my stance in life to tell
people
what I see in them. What Isee in you, Ms Birdenfloods
me with regrets which I express byexhorting
you
to reform yourself and stop agitating
foroutsideinterests. Most people I know think of
youwith compassion. I suggestyou need the expert
hands
of a professional massage therapist, someoneto
relax
this angst you have about people you want to
destroy
for someobscure reasons. Give it a try. Fred N. New
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