yep, that's bad, radford. but how come you didn't come out just as strong against suspending derienzo from the wbai lsb. that is even more dispicable as he was elected to an oficial body of pacifica, unlike this list which has no official standing. my, are you selective in who is banned. --- Leslie Radford <leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Amazing! After all the cr*p that's been flung on > this list, Fred gets > suspended for offering a carefully labeled "opinion" > with defense. > Not a nice one, but with more backing than 99% of > the namecalling > that's gone on here. Or maybe he's banned because > Carolyn asked for > him to be suspended (and included a quote from Fred > that apparently > isn't on the list), since Pamela cites Carolyn here > too. > > DeMaegt gets bounced for disliking white Pacificans > (like me). > > Is there one person actively advocating for more > people of > color/working class people/people outside of current > governance matrix > still posting regularly on this list? > > . . . It's chilly in here. I was going to post > more, but I'm afraid > I'll get banned too. And if/when I get banned, I > want to save that > for one good parting shot. > > --Leslie > > > Reply to: > > > Fred, > > I'm suspending your posting privileges for now, > until I can decide > whether or not to ban you from the list, for your > racist posts and > personal attacks such as the one below. > > Pamela > > siddharta2@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/17/2005 10:35:03 A.M. > Eastern Standard Time, > cmcb007@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > > > This is the kind of personal attack that > should not be allowed > on this or any list that attempts to promote > dialogue. That the > speaker is racist we know: this is the same person > who called Steve > Brown a "F*%#ing Zionist pig," so we know that Fred > is ignorant not > only of Steve's politics (and I suspect a lot of > other things he > claims to be expert in) but also of the fundamentals > of civil > discourse. He is correct: he should have been > removed for the > quantity, not to mention the quality, of his posts > long ago. > > > > Carolyn Birden > > > > Reply: > > > > I love Ms Birden because she's so easy to debate > with. > > She's definitely right on 2 things. My opinion is > that Mr. Brown is > a zionist provocateur and, as a proof, I offer that > he advocated for > the accession of Mike Feder, another known zionist > to the GM position > at BAI. Zionists will never be in power at Pacifica > because they are > allied with the extreme religious right. Even some > white people now > understand that since they are being challenged in > their belief that > their own ancestors may have been other than > monkeys. Mr Brown is a > peddler and a marketeer, he has the opinions that > please his audience. > But his methods of calling African Americans > "Blacknats" (understand > "Malcolm X is a bad person") had him uncovered. I > was told that his > internet rantings have been collected and bound for > posterity. > Calling black people racists is a method of the > Zionists. The Zionists > masqueraded as socialists in the 50s and 60s in > order to enlist many > Jewish intellectuals but progressively through the > years they have > morphed back into the extreme racist and colonialist > ideology which > they modeled on their observation of German > nationalism, which was > contemporary to their movement and aspirations. > Zionism is the main > product of Jewish bourgeois nationalism and it > advocates the > conversion of an entire people from a levantine folk > origin to a > nation granted an ethnically cleansed land and will, > in return, spread > the joy of their miraculous metamorphosis into a > 5000 year old white > skin European clone. Mr. Brown and his methodical > attacks on black > people have the same stamp and characteristics of > the attacks which > were made on movements of color in the 1970s, which > we now know had > the active assistance of Zionist moles posing as > Jewish leftists. If > it smells like a rat.... > > > > I also characterized Mr. Brown as a pig and I > stand by that image. > At the farm, the pig is the only animal which has no > natural fear of > humans and will come to you smelling you everywhere. > Mr. Brown is > very well known for is provocative antics in BAI > related meetings, > coming right to the face of his targets (in one > case, less than a foot > away) and snapping repetitive flash photography to > disorient the > subject. He has published unauthorized photos of > mine on the > internet, although I must admit, some of the photos > made me look quite > handsome since he uses very expensive cameras which > his vast fortune > affords him. > > > > In summary, I maintain my statement and opinion > that Mr. Brown is no > Charlie Brown. I believe him to be a Zionist plant > targeting people > of color as his primary mission to remove the most > radical component > of this beloved station. To his defense, Mr. Brown > is not the only > one. The hijackers has a similar goal but were > moved by another > puppeteer, the liberal democrats. As for his > performance as a farm > animal, no one ever accused me of hating fellow > living creatures, > since I am after all a vegetarian. But when a pig > gets pesky and > smells in places we do not wish to be, a farmer will > tell you that a > firm kick in a soft rear side is in order. That's > what he got and > that's what he deserved. He can still sit on his > comfortable bacon. > But I have to warn others to beware of his soft > spoken approach. Pigs > are known to have very little self respect and to > steal your lunch > when you look away from them. > > > > As for dialogue Ms Birden, you know I am one of > your fans and will > always respond to you in kind, if not always kindly. > But who says that > a true debate has to be kind. To me, you are just a > person, nothing > more, nothing less. The only thing I detest is your > methods. It is > also my stance in life to tell people what I see in > them. What I see > in you, Ms Birden floods me with regrets which I > express by exhorting > you to reform yourself and stop agitating for > outside interests. Most > people I know think of you with compassion. I > suggest you need the > expert hands of a professional massage therapist, > someone to relax > this angst you have about people you want to destroy > for some obscure > reasons. 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