Knowing you, I figured that out already. I did not take it personally but in the spirit of discussion and cleaning the air as you intended. --- Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I put this here specifically to hear your point of > view. > > Thanks for it. > > K > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: L. Mirza > To: NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NewPacifica] Pakistani Describes > Killing of Daughters > > > This is an example of something that has nothing > to do > with Islamic law but are cultural, tribal and > traditions that go back to the Hindu customs that > were > never discarded when Islam came to the > subcontinent. > It really pisses the hell out of me that such > things > are the only things one reads or hears about in > Muslim > countries. > > Now I lived half my adult life in Pakistan. My > personal experience is quite different. I Married > into a deeply religious and loving Pakistani > family. > My inlaws are nothing like this and I lived in a > joint > family situation and they are much more typical of > the > majority in Pakistan. > > Guess the hollywood version and sensational > versions > are the only ones that get into print and on film. > Same thing can be applied to the way the Black > community experience here is presented on the U.S. > media so why should I be surprised. To watch the > hollywood version, Black folks too are all > presented > on welfare, single mothers, and the males > hyper-sexual > gangsters and hoodlums. > > Sheesh, haven't we learned to stop accepting the > stereotyping of people? > > --- Kevin White <cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Pakistani Describes Killing of Daughters > > > > By KHALID TANVEER, Associated Press > Writer 5 > > minutes ago > > > > > > > > Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he > > recounts how he slit the throats of his three > young > > daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to > > salvage his family's "honor" - a crime that > shocked > > Pakistan. > > > > The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The > > Associated Press in police detention as he was > being > > shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret > - > > that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged > lover > > too. > > > > Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by > male > > relatives each year in this conservative Islamic > > nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such > "honor > > killings" will only stop when authorities get > > serious about punishing perpetrators. > > > > The independent Human Rights Commission of > > Pakistan said that in more than half of such > cases > > that make it to court, most end with cash > > settlements paid by relatives to the victims' > > families, although under a law passed last year, > the > > minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death > by > > hanging. > > > > Ahmed's killing spree - witnessed by his wife > > Rehmat Bibi as she cradled their 3 month-old > baby > > son - happened Friday night at their home in the > > cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern > > Punjab province. > > > > It is the latest of more than 260 such honor > > killings documented by the rights commission, > mostly > > from media reports, during the first 11 months > of > > 2005. > > Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek > as > > Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his > stepdaughter > > Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete. Bibi > > looked helplessly on from the corner of the room > as > > he then killed the three girls - Bano, 8, > Sumaira, > > 7, and Humaira, 4 - pausing between the slayings > to > > brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, > warning > > her not to intervene or raise alarm. > > "I was shivering with fear. I did not know how > to > > save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by > phone > > from the village. "I begged my husband to spare > my > > daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I > will > > kill you.'" > > > > "The whole night the bodies of my daughters > lay in > > front of me," she said. > > The next morning, Ahmed was arrested. > > > > Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup > truck > > late Tuesday as he was shifted to a prison in > the > > city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. > > Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he > killed > > Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and > his > > daughters because he didn't want them to do the > same > > when they grew up. > > He said he bought a butcher's knife and a > machete > > after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in > the > > house where he carried out the killings. > > > > "I thought the younger girls would do what > their > > eldest sister had done, so they should be > > eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face > > unshaven. "We are poor people and we have > nothing > > else to protect but our honor." > > > > Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had > > committed adultery - a claim made by her husband > - > > the rights commission reported that according to > > local people, Muqadas had fled her husband > because > > he had abused her and forced her to work in a > > brick-making factory. > > > > Police have said they do not know the identity > or > > whereabouts of Muqadas' alleged lover. > > > > Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first > marriage > > to Ahmed's brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed > > married his brother's widow, as is customary > under > > Islamic tradition. > > > > "Women are treated as property and those > > committing crimes against them do not get > punished," > > said the rights commission's director, Kamla > Hyat. > > "The steps taken by our government have made no > real > > difference." > > > > Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez > Musharraf, > > a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to > > reform outdated Islamized laws that make it > > difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid > > attacks and other cases of violence against > women. > > They say police are often reluctant to > prosecute, > > regarding such crimes as family disputes. > > Statistics on honor killings are confused and > > imprecise, but figures from the rights > commission's > > Web site and its officials show a marked > reduction > > in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months > of > > 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The > > Ministry of Women's Development said it had no > > reliable figures. Ijaz Elahi, the > ministry's > > joint secretary, said the violence was > decreasing > > and that increasing numbers of victims were > > reporting incidents to police or the media. > Laws, > > including one passed last year to beef up > penalties > > for honor killings, had been toughened, she > said. > > Police in Multan said they would complete > their > > investigation into > > Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he > > faces the death sentence if he is convicted for > the > > killings and terrorizing his neighborhood. > > Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was > unrepentant. > > "I told the police that I am an honorable > father > > and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the > > three other girls," he said. "I wish that I get > a > > chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with > and > > set his home on fire." > > > > > > > > > Loraine > = = = = = = = = = = = > Read "Internment Camps of Bangladesh," by Loraine > Mirza > Published by Crescent International Newspapers, > Inc. > 300 Steelcase Road West, Unit 8, Markham, Ontario, > Canada L3R 2W2 > "The story of a long-suffering people told with > compassion and sensitivity. All who care for justice > must read this book. Loraine Mirza, an American > Muslim print and broadcast journalist, has written > this remarkable account of the 'Stranded > Pakistanis,' trapped in internment camps in > Bangladesh since 1972." 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