Yup, Ahmadinejad came across really well ---- also Hasan Nasrallah's speech today was really well done, like all of his speeches --- composed calm - no jingoism - really good stuff... And for the first time ever I did not turn away as I watched a Zionist speak --- Olmert's surrender speech to the knesset ----- claiming all kinds of nonsensical victories, and so on...but then stating the obvious about how things did not go well etc. i don't think most folks here in the US have any idea how things have now changed. here are a couple of snippets from Angry Arab's (Asa'd AbuKhalil) blog: The discussion is now about who won and who lost. If you really want to know the answer to that: just see the Israeli press, the Zionist propaganda media, and the fanatics in the comments’ section of this site. They are pretty angry, are they not? They are quite frustrated and disoriented. They are fulminating and babbling incoherently. There is no doubt: the Israeli army has been humiliated for the first time in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. And notice that as the Israeli army was being increasingly humiliated by the Hizbullah army, they kept exaggerating their assessment of the fighting force, and they kept exaggerating the Iranian role. They had to: they fought their wars and succeeded in spreading the myths of the superior Israeli soldier, and the inferior Arab soldier. The Arab regimes, always fearing war with Israel for fear of their own survival, helped in spreading that myths in Arab mass culture. Many Arabs started to buy into it, and many were able to resign themselves to Israeli regional hegemony. Many were able to tolerate humiliating peace-treaties with Israel, because they became firm believers in their incompetence and their helplessness vis-à-vis Israel. That has been shattered. This will embolden Arabs, even vis-à-vis their governments, but certainly vis-à-vis Israel. The movement against the American peace process, or what is left of it—not that it needs to be resuscitated—will only grow, and certainly more Arabs will want to join a struggle against Israeli aggression and hegemony. And Arab popular self-confidence is much more threatening to Israel, in strategic terms, than large Arab armies. The small size of the Hizbullah army will only add to the growing mystique. It will also foil Saudi/US/Israeli plans to foment Sunni-Shi`ite discord. Is there any doubt in anybody’s mind that the Shi`ite Hasan Nasrallah is now more popular in the entire Arab world than any other Sunni Arab figure? But then when you think that the proponents of Sunni-Shi`ite discord have been Al-Qa`idah and House of Saud you realize that both don’t have mass following, thankfully, and will not succeed in their sectarian plans. I watchd Nasrallah’s speech today: a polite but firm speech. This one is directed to the Lebanese audience: to those who were displaced, but also to the wavering and neutral Sunnis in the country. There has been changes. In Tripoli’s Sunnis for example have been won over by Hizbullah: Hariri Inc lost Tripoli. There are pictures of Nasrallah in Tall Square now. Who would have thought that we Arabs would live to mock Israeli commando raids that netted Hasan Dib Nasrallah, and in another one in Tyre found an old lady in a house, and in another one found nobody. These were the elite Israeli forces. I, for one, don’t speak in terms of victory although the people of South Lebanon, and the fighters in the South are the people of South Lebanon lest you forget, fought bravely and courageously against a savage invading foreign army. I don’t speak in terms of victory because the brutal Israeli destruction and devastation (and the innocent lives, including innocent civilians in Israel--and I blame Israel which started the war for their deaths) don’t allow for celebrations and jubilation. But it is a victory against Israeli arrogance and brutality. It is also a victory against the notion that mass violence by an superior and advanced army is capable of breaking the will of a people. Look at the Palestinians: a century of Zionist violence has not killed the Palestinian national impulse: it certainly has made it grow and expand. The Zionist project is doomed. That is clear in the year 2006. On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:49 PM, L. Mirza wrote: > Yes, indeed I watched it, not just once but thanks to > our dish network was able to replay it for others who > came to my house and missed the program. I understand, > C-Span may have carried it as well. > > Wallace was an idiot but Ahmadinejad held his own with > dignity and good humor. My daughter had a chance to > meet him when he came to her school and he is totally > down to earth. He refuses to stay aloof from the > people, mingles freely, and what is most interesting > is that he has continued to teach one of his classes > at the university. > > --- rasheedaas <rasheedaas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Did you see President Ahmadinejad on 60 minutes last >> night? >> >> In spite of Mike Wallace's efforts to be >> condescending, the man came >> off as reasonable, intelligent, analytical and with >> a sense of humor. >> >> None of which could be said about Wallace. >> >> ellen >> >> >> >> --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Richard" >> <rsierra7@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> The blog: http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> New Pacifica Working Group >> http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica >> 'Save Our Stations!' >> Yahoo! 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