Uh...
You say, "Only folks who can make enough money to live from activities
outside of their Pacifica work...should be allowed to make a dime off
the listeners."
You mean, "to him that hath it shall be given"?
As for employees ("...Pacifica employees should be allowed to
make a dime off the listeners."), are you referring just to their
salaries, or--?
--Frank LeFever
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--- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul DeRienzo" <djpaulypauld@...>
wrote:
>
> Obviously the only way to change WBAI is for the PNB to ban the
practice of programmers
> getting outside grants based on their shows. It should be strictly
forbidden for anyone to
> make a dime off of Pacifica, including premiums, grants,
contributions and through the
> sale of review copies. Only folks who can make enough money to live
from activities
> outside of their Pacifica work and only Pacifica employees should be
allowed to make a
> dime off the listeners. Anyone receiving a grant to pay for material
aired on WBAI should
> be relieved by Pacifica including Democracy Now. That will solve
your problems overnight.
>
> --- In NewPacifica@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, romulo sanchez <olumor@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > larry,
> >
> > you respond about everything else but about the main issue which is
> > how you reported the situation at wbai and how inaccurate it was, to
> > put it mildly, this time, like you like.
> >
> > do you think that it would be fair to report that since march 2001
the usa
> > invaded irak and...
> > Since then the two factions in and around that nation have been in
more
> > or less continuous struggle?
> >
> > and worst, would you suggest, that the UN should face the iraqi
problem
> > directly and develop a process to change the direction in irak,
that the two
> > sides need to be talked to separately about what is possible and,
if they show
> > interest in changing their methods of interacting, brought
together to start
> > a dialog on what to do differently? would you suggest tony blair
(siegel)
> > to mediate? and...what about naming a commission of olmert-mubarac-
> > musharaf-karsay (lane-byrd-robinson-randhawa) to bring both sides
together?
> >
> > in your line of argument you might find the comparison gross and
it is because
> > i shouldn't be taking this nice figures of world politics, who don't
> > pose as anything
> > other than what they are, and compare them with the scoundrels who
pose as
> > progressives at pacifica and are nothing else but a caricature of
what the left
> > in the usa is.
> >
> > the real report on wbai is that, on one side, the juc has
dominated the station
> > for 9 long and painful years and, working for their capo bernard
white have
> > brought it to the ground; and, on the other side , there have
been, almost too
> > diverse people who differ very much in their ideas but have agree,
> > for the first
> > time, in calling themselves "independents", who are trying to stop
> > this disaster.
> >
> > anyway, either dominating the lsb or not, the juc power over the
station never
> > has been interrupted and the decline never stopped.
> >
> > i knew you when you knew that that is the real story and chose to
> > report otherwise.
> >
> > r.
> >
> >
> >
> > >Romulo:
> > >
> > >Yours is a very sad email to me.
> > >
> > >Believe whatever you want about me.
> > >
> > >I did not play historian.
> > >
> > >I do like POP and what it stands for. I do not like their
closeness to JUC,
> > >although I understand that they appreciate and need WBAI as a
resource.
> > >
> > >Lisa Davis is seldom at POP meetings, although she shows up once
in a while
> > >at social events. Which I told you before. We never talk. Her
animosity
> > >to me is clear and I don't mind.
> > >
> > >Best of luck with fixing WBAI. The ways that have been used by
independents
> > >(and JUC) for the last almost decade now have clearly worked well.
> > >
> > >You are clearly wise in ways I can barely fathom.
> > >
> > >There, I have now lashed back at you and feel no better for it.
But then
> > >yours was a childish email too.
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >
> > >On 4/14/08 1:56 AM, "romulo sanchez" <olumor@> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Since then the two factions in and around the station have
been in more or
> > >> less continuous struggle",
> > >>
> > >> larry,
> > >>
> > >> this phrase desauthorizes you to play historian of wbai and
much less, like
> > >> adelson, patronizer.
> > >>
> > >> you not only failed to say that the struggle at wbai is
between a faction
> > >> which
> > >> works for the dictator bernard white and for 8 long years has
hijacked the
> > >> station bringing it to a total disaster morally and
financially but, another
> > >> faction which wants to rescue the station from becoming more
afro-centric
> > >> and respond more to the pacifica mission of diversity and
inclusion.
> > >>
> > >> I wonder how is that you want a rotten pnb to help when part
of its members
> > >> have viciously contributed to the present situation at wbai, and
> > >>another part,
> > >> with distinguish exceptions don't have the faintest idea of
what is going on
> > >> at
> > >> pacifica or even what they vote for.
> > >>
> > >> your suggestion of bringing the pnb into the picture is therefore
> > >> disrespectful
> > >> disingenuous and in a big way childish.
> > >>
> > >> it is clear to me that being a member of the p.o.p. where lisa
davis
> > >> is a big wig
> > >> can not bring anything good. I am glad to have enjoyed your
company when you
> > > > used to think politically.
> > >>
> > >> r.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Dave and Joe and all:
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave: glad to learn that you did not intend to chide the
winners of finally
> > >>> counted election results at WBAI. To my ear, it sounded that
way, but then
> > >>> I have been infected by the mess at WBAI. I too am now a
spectator to the
> > >>> struggles at WBAI, although I was involved for sometime during
> > >>>the rewriting
> > >>> of the bylaws and off and on thereafter.
> > >>>
> > >>> The political divisions at WBAI were in place from before the
time that
> > >>> Utrice Leid was appointed station manager during the
"Christmas Coup"--long
> > >>> ago in a land far away. Utrice vowed to fix the problems at
WBAI. She was
> > >>> a strong willed woman, but the problems at WBAI were and
still are not
> > >>> amendable to a strong management type solution. Just
provokes resistance.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since then the two factions in and around the station have
been in more or
> > >>> less continuous struggle, with some changes in players. The
"independents"
> > >>> (known under various names over time) won the first election,
the "JUC" won
> > >>> several after that, and the independents are now in the
majority as of the
> > >>> results of latest election. There is no reason at this point to
> > >>>assume that
> > >>> the fierce struggles will end by the two sides at WBAI
> > >>>spontaneously sitting
> > >>> down and talking. They are in the trenches. Read Frank La
Fever's recent
> > >>> email about the WBAI LSB meeting called by the independents
and the JUC
> > >>> member responses and compare them to the intensities of some
> > >>>prior emails by
> > >>> independents.
> > >>>
> > >>> The independents called a meeting to elect PNB directors, the
JUC boycotts
> > > >> it, and apparently there is no official way to call an LSB
meeting (I have
> > >>> not checked the bylaws). I bring this up to make the point
that only the
> > >>> PNB, which can set and interpret policy, has the immediate
potential to
> > >>> change the direction of what is happening in New York--and it
will not be
> > >>> easy.
> > >>>
> > >>> The listeners cannot bring reform either, they are only in a
position to
> > >>> vote unless they start organizing mass protests. Not unheard
of. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> I do not have a prescription. The only thing I can think of is
> > >>>that the two
> > >>> sides need to be talked to separately about what is possible
and, if they
> > >>> show interest in changing their methods of interacting,
brought together to
> > >>> start a dialog on what to do differently. Any attempt by the
PNB to impose
> > >>> a solution is probably a bad idea because one side or the
other will only
> > >>> fight back.
> > >>>
> > >>> To me, the crucial thing is that the PNB face the WBAI
problem directly and
> > >>> develop a process to change the direction in NYC. The station
> > >>>appears to be
> > >>> in serious financial trouble (I cannot really tell for sure)
and, if true,
> > >>> needs all the help it can get. (I have not yet read the
recent ED report
> > >>> referred to below by Brian Shiratsuki in which he says things
might be
> > >>> looking up for Pacifica. I hope so, but I am not sure about
things heading
> > >>> up at WBAI.) The network needs the problem heading towards at
> > >>>least partial
> > >>> resolution, e.g., the two sides need to conduct the business
of the LSB and
> > >>> WBAI transparently so that the listener members, the staff and
> > >>>the people in
> > >>> the other station areas of the network know what is
happening. In the end,
> > >>> openness should help (a sort of faith on my part).
> > >>>
> > >>> The progressive political and cultural movements in NYC area
need WBAI as a
> > >>> vibrant resource to help organize against US imperialism, to
help the
> > >>> various cultures find a voice and have a presence, and to
provide news that
> > >>> the corporate media does not touch.
> > >>>
> > >>> My three cents,
> > >>>
> > >>> Larry Romsted
> > >>> Listener-Member at WBAI
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