Title: Re: [NewPacifica] Traitor or ally: gospel sheds new light on Judas
Now, Kevin, don't be reductive. Karen Armstong recently wrote that at a period in history, a bunch of sages rose up representing different cultures who were against imperialism and for empathy, "Love thy enemy, do good to he who hates you," etc. (Not a good Bible quoter, me.)
My kick with current Israelis is that they not only consider themselves exceptional, but have no empathy. I yelled that at one guy picketing Robert Fisk.
But Jesus was clearly a Hippie Leftie who threw the money changers out of the temple. Unfortunately his memory has picked up a lot of barnacles, cf. the Moral Majority and various Roman Church folks.
But it may be in our DNA that if oppression and imperialism become too strong, some will respond with passionate empathy.
Avis
odon 4/7/06 10:04 AM, Kevin White at cuitlacoche1@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Image what the bible might have been like if Roman imperialism hadn't absorbed it. There would be no soldiers studying war no more.
Zeus = Yahweh
"I am that I am" -Yahweh
"I yam what I yam" -Popeye
Kevin White
Avis Worthington <avisworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My sister was studying the Dead Sea scrolls when she died. No one after could make sense of her notes.
Avis
on 4/6/06 2:12 PM, Richard at rsierra7@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Not the Gospel and never has been....hundreds of sects, jewish and christian, wrote their own texts.
Early christian gnostics of hellenized Egypt....infused greek metaphysics into christianity....slanted from left....anti-orthodoxy, right....ala Nag Hammadi writings....new text found, old message presented.
Key words: value inversion.
Very interesting development though....reported on NPR and in the NY Times. /R
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Subject: [NewPacifica] Traitor or ally: gospel sheds new light on Judas
Traitor or ally: gospel sheds new light on Judas
2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Lost for almost 1,700 years, a manuscript entitled "Gospel of Judas" is putting a new spin on the case of the biblical bad guy, maintaining that Jesus actually asked disciple Judas to betray him.
The third- or fourth-century ancient Coptic manuscript -- authenticated, translated and displayed Thursday at National Geographic headquarters here -- paints a different picture of Judas and Jesus.
The papyrus manuscript known as a codex maintains, as the bible does not, that Jesus requested that Judas "betray" him by handing him to authorities, something it says pained Judas greatly.
"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature on five fronts: radiocarbon dating, ink analysis, multispectral imaging, contextual evidence and paleographic evidence," said Terry Garcia, executive vice president for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society.
"This dramatic discovery of an ancient non-biblical text -- considered by some to be the most significant in the past 60 years -- enhances our knowledge of the history and theological viewpoints of the early Christian period, and is worthy of study by historians, scholars and theologians," Garcia said.
"This process will take time and ongoing dialogue which has just begun."
The leather-bound papyrus text believed to have been copied down around 300 AD was located in the 1970s in the desert near El Minya, Egypt. It then moved among antiquities traders from Egypt to Europe and the United States.
It was purchased by Zurich-based antiquities dealer Frieda Nussberger-Tchacos in 2000, and now was to be returned to Egypt and housed at Cairo's Coptic Museum.
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