Actually untrue statement, most Fortune 500 do feel warranted in checking out the MSP space, since in some upper managers mind" Ah, I can save half a million dollars a year and dump all the security stuff on some reputable MSP".. If one can save a half a million dollars year in headcount, the manager will be rewarded, if it backfires, the Fortune 500 sues the pants off the MSP and still saves face.. So MSP's are a double-edged sword. /cheers /m At 09:08 PM 6/27/2001 -0400, Zachary Uram wrote: maybe it is a mute point because most non-Fortune 500 placs I know of don't want to or don't feel it is warranted to spend the cash on a local security guy OR a MSP. it depends on the context. some smaller places may have a security guy of their own who could rival the service these large MSP's provide. as you said they look for patterns etc. they can't/aren't motivated to spend the same time or intensity a local person may be able to give (IF QUALIFIED). a bad MSP is no better than a bad local guy. a MSP shouldn't be the sum total of one's security policy. _______________________________________________ Firewalls mailing list Firewalls@lists.gnac.net http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls