There are many ways...the most humorous that I heard happened right here in my hometown about 4 years ago and the local newspaper/media AND police were TOTAL idiots, it was hilarious! They found this guy in HOBO clothes all tattered and dirty with no ID. He was found to have an IBM ThinkPad, a modem, a wire with some alligator clips on one end and RJ11 on the other, and a SLINGSHOT. He was in a bush and had opened up a telco box and had his laptop plugged into the punchdown blocks and was "accessing the internet". The story in the paper ran along the lines, "The Internet is for everybody, even the HOMELESS. Homeless youths are using the inet to better themselves so they can find work...blah blah blah" 1) He was not homeless. He only dressed that way with cheap clothes from a thrift shop which he soiled to make a good cover story. 2) Homeless people would sell the Thinkpad in a heartbeat for: alcohol, crack, and lastly FOOD. (probably in that order) 3) The SLINGSHOT was used to shoot out any nearby street lights to make it harder to see him working. He told the cops it was so he could get FOOD if he was hungry. (mmmm, skewered rat!) They let him go SCOTT FREE and from what I heard did not confiscate his laptop. If it was me, I would have rigged it so that it booted to a partition wiper just in case... People are such idiots, I wonder how many people in town actually knew this guy was hacking/phreaking??? -----Original Message----- From: firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET [mailto:firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET]On Behalf Of Zachary Uram Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:47 PM To: Roy Rapoport Cc: 'firewalls@lists.gnac.net ' Subject: Re: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must read document ah but this makes it harder to catch them. if they are smart they will access your site from public data terminal (such as internet cafe where u pay in cash) or even use public terminal at the local library or computer store etc. - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]