well this works both ways the govt., military, and various federal agencies have horrendous record on security. but who holds them accountable? no one. lets sue them and get a bigger tax refund than just $300! <G> :) On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Ron DuFresne wrote: > > Yes, but, in most states it is illegal to leave your car running, and in > most even if the car is locked. So, if that car is warming on a cold > winter day, and is stolen while left in such condition, one has broken the > law. > > Thanks, > > Ron DuFresne > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Webmaster wrote: > > > Ken, > > To clarify, you say that if I leave my keys in the car and the door unlocked > > and someone steals the car and kills someone with it, I'm partially liable? > > That's stretching it a bit...I think the burden should fall squarely on the > > shoulders of the person that stole the car. Please don't think that this > > means that *every* situation like this is the same. But I don't think we > > need to start putting the folks that can't remember to tie their shoes in > > jail... > > Michael Sorbera > > Webmaster > > Randolph-Brooks Federal Credit Union > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Claussen, Ken" <kclausse@columbus.rr.com> > > To: "'Zachary Uram'" <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu>; "'Young, Beth A.'" > > <youngba@more.net> > > Cc: <firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:30 AM > > Subject: RE: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must read document > > > > > > > ***Disclaimer I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV**** > > > First I agree with the author's perspective, people should be held > > > accountable for their actions, or inaction. My understanding of the > > article > > > was if you had the club on the car then you upheld the "reasonable > > > expectation" of personal protection and therefore would not be "Held > > > liable"(read negligent) in this case should a crime be committed. A better > > > analogy would be to say if you left the keys in the ignition and the door > > > unlocked and someone then used your vehicle to commit a "Hit and Run" that > > > there is a far greater likelihood your actions would be found negligent > > and > > > you could be held accountable. In other words if you provided easy access > > > to the "Weapon" for a third party, then you are as much as fault as the > > > person who committed the crime. Hence the potential to be charged as an > > > "accomplice" to a murder. Same applies to computers, if you enable "File > > and > > > Print sharing" and do not take measures to protect yourself, IE a Virus > > > scanner and/or (IMO both should be required) personal firewall then > > > essentially you have left the keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked. > > > Anyone for a joyride? > > > > > > Ken Claussen MCSE CCNA CCA > > > Ken@kccweb.com > > > "The Mind is a Terrible thing to Waste!" > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET > > > [mailto:firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET]On Behalf Of Zachary Uram > > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:59 AM > > > To: Young, Beth A. > > > Cc: firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET > > > Subject: Re: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must read document > > > > > > > > > this is silly position but understandable considering we live in > > > most litigitous country in the world. > > > this is analogous to saying if you don't have "The Club" on your > > > car you are liable if someone steals it and commits a crime. > > > > > > > > > > > > uram@cmu.edu > > > "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 > > > > > > - > > > [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with > > > "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.] > > > - > > > [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with > > > "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.] > > > > - > > [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with > > "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.] > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart > ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!*** > > OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything. > > uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]