In many jurisdictions, it is against the law to leave keys in an unlocked car without someone responsible being present (a baby doesn't count). So even though you wouldn't be convicted of the crime that used your car, you would still be liable to prosecution. In particular, the Canadian province of Quebec is one, since the government also runs the automobile insurance plan. You will most often lose any insurance on the car if it is damaged. So this analogy is a good one. See http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/keys-in-cars-case-studies.htm for some interesting cases with keys in car problems "Michael E. Cummins" <mcummins@i-magery.net> on 06/11/2001 02:44:18 PM To: Bill Royds/HullOttawa/PCH/CA@PCH cc: firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET Subject RE: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must : read document I disagree. I think the CLUB thing was closer. I will join the fray with my own analogy in this theme. You left your windows rolled down, your doors unlocked, and the keys in the car. Someone stole your car and committed a crime with it. The crime could not have been accomplished without use of your car. Now I don't know about you, but where I come from you would be considered an idiot, but you wouldn't be considered either libel or responsible for the crime. There is no way we can poice every uncooperative government on the planet, or require any level of certification or security from them. There is no solution down this road. We need to look elsewhere. Very Respectfully, Michael E. Cummins -----Original Message----- From: firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET [mailto:firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET]On Behalf Of Bill_Royds@pch.gc.ca Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:03 PM To: Zachary Uram Cc: Young, Beth A.; firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET Subject: Re: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must read document No. This is closer to saying that you changed lanes on the freeway without signalling when I hit you from behind. You were negligent in following a rule of the road so you are liable for some of the damage. You didn't hit me but you are still responsible for the accident. Zachary Uram <zu22@andrew.cmu.edu> on 06/11/2001 10:58:57 AM To: "Young, Beth A." <youngba@more.net> cc: firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET(bcc: Bill Royds/HullOttawa/PCH/CA) Subject Re: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must : read document this is silly position but understandable considering we live in most litigitous country in the world. this is analogous to saying if you don't have "The Club" on your car you are liable if someone steals it and commits a crime. uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.] - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.] - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]