***Disclaimer I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV**** First I agree with the author's perspective, people should be held accountable for their actions, or inaction. My understanding of the article was if you had the club on the car then you upheld the "reasonable expectation" of personal protection and therefore would not be "Held liable"(read negligent) in this case should a crime be committed. A better analogy would be to say if you left the keys in the ignition and the door unlocked and someone then used your vehicle to commit a "Hit and Run" that there is a far greater likelihood your actions would be found negligent and you could be held accountable. In other words if you provided easy access to the "Weapon" for a third party, then you are as much as fault as the person who committed the crime. Hence the potential to be charged as an "accomplice" to a murder. Same applies to computers, if you enable "File and Print sharing" and do not take measures to protect yourself, IE a Virus scanner and/or (IMO both should be required) personal firewall then essentially you have left the keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked. Anyone for a joyride? Ken Claussen MCSE CCNA CCA Ken@kccweb.com "The Mind is a Terrible thing to Waste!" -----Original Message----- From: firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET [mailto:firewalls-owner@Lists.GNAC.NET]On Behalf Of Zachary Uram Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:59 AM To: Young, Beth A. Cc: firewalls@Lists.GNAC.NET Subject: Re: 3rd party liability Was RE: This is a must read document this is silly position but understandable considering we live in most litigitous country in the world. this is analogous to saying if you don't have "The Club" on your car you are liable if someone steals it and commits a crime. uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.] - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]