On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 dgillett@deepforest.org wrote: > I have -- but I wrote my first program in 1969, and first got paid wow u are a true hacker indeed :) MVS? > to program in 1976. Remote access wasn't all that common in those 1 year after I was born! :) yah i heard in good ole' days how u had to work with huge clunky vaxes and use punch cards and before that u had to just directly access main memory through a panel and flip the bits by hand! this old hard core VMS/NT programmer at work told me today's programmers do not possess as rigorous a total understanding of the overall system as programmers of old did. he said back then it was a necessity to know about some nitty gritty electrical engineering stuff, nowadays ppl are abstracted so far from that. maybe he was thinking of just Win programming. I heard C programming in *NIX lets u get pretty nitty gritty. Hey I will be taking an intro C class in July and intro C++ in Sept. Can you recommend any good books/sites? Eventually I wanna learn *NIX system programming and network programming. And meanwhile pick up sys admin skills. What is good way for relatively poor person to learn about networking stuff (the nitty gritty)? > days, but most of the systems on the other end of the line were > mainframes -- and a firewall was an explosive bolt to physically cut > the connection to a remote site in an emergency. Wow. Was that before the ARPANET and TELENET :) uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]