On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Paul D. Robertson wrote: > > No, most certainly intrusions are the biggest threat out there. Stopping > intrusions would naturally stop DDoS as well as other attacks. Oh I see. So a machine(s) will be compromised through some mechanism (trojan, virus, setuid exploit) and the intruder will setup programs which are then uses to take control of machine and employ in his orchestrated DoS atatcks yes? > For the most part, the attacks are already against the law- new laws don't > generally help for that. Making people upgrade and patch systems and Sort of like gun laws, more restrictive laws will still be circumvented by criminals since by definition they don't observe the law. So law abiding citizens pay the price. Same thing goes on in insurance industry etc... > making software vendors produce more secure systems would be of much more > help. Reducing the social factors associated with people attacking How do you propose this awareness can be affected on a national/global level? > systems wouldn't be a bad thing either. So far not many people have stood > up to villify the bad guys- that needs to change. I agree. Nothing wrong with setting up your own network and breaking into it for the learning experience. But defacing other's property, theft of time/resources/money etc. is still wrong both morally and legally. SDG, Zach uram@cmu.edu "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29 - [To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.gnac.net with "unsubscribe firewalls" in the body of the message.]